NSA investigating Pentagon UFO reports - An "Adversary with that kind of technology"

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Fourth dimension objects will cast a three-dimensional shadow. Maybe this is that?

Maybe it's a new marketing strategy for a Matrix prequel.

Notice that you never see these UFOs and Keanu Reeves at the same time.
 
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This is getting interesting, it would be cool if the existence of aliens was confirmed.

But if those are really aliens, then they're basically acting like careless tourists. They're not contacting us, they're usually staying hidden, but sometimes they get caught on blurry camera. It's kind of depressing if aliens see us as just some space curiosity.
 
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This is getting interesting, it would be cool if the existence of aliens was confirmed.

But if those are really aliens, then they're basically acting like careless tourists. They're not contacting us, they're usually staying hidden, but sometimes they get caught on blurry camera. It's kind of depressing if aliens see us as just some space curiosity.

you bring up a good point. IF those are aliens with such advanced technology - why parade themselves in front of our military where a lot of our own most advanced censors, cameras, radar, sonar, satellite monitoring is the most intense?

Option 1: You could say they are doing it because we are so far below them that we pose no threat so then hey don't care if we notice them or not. But there is a problem with that solution. From our brief survey so far, intelligent life is far more rare in our galaxy than exoplanets or other solar systems. If that holds true in general for this galaxy then there is reason to suppose that aliens would be focused on planets with intelligent life. And if it were true, and it is the case that they really don't care if we notice them or not - then our skies should look like Grand Central Station. And they don't.

So then either the aliens DO care if we notice them and this is a strategic move on their part to "change the level of the game"... or there are no aliens and this is foreign technology. But foreign technology that enables them to trespass in our restricted military airspace at will over 70 years of time , does not make sense for them to be "advertising" to us. Why wouldn't that be a top-secret program from their POV. The way its being done now looks like "an advertising campaign" not spook-works espionage.
 
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you bring up a good point. IF those are aliens with such advanced technology - why parade themselves in front of our military where a lot of our own most advanced censors, cameras, radar, sonar, satellite monitoring is the most intense?

Option 1: You could say they are doing it because we are so far below them that we pose no threat so then hey don't care if we notice them or not. But there is a problem with that solution. From our brief survey so far, intelligent life is far more rare in our galaxy than exoplanets or other solar systems. If that holds true in general for this galaxy then there is reason to suppose that aliens would be focused on planets with intelligent life. And if it were true, and it is the case that they really don't care if we notice them or not - then our skies should look like Grand Central Station. And they don't.

Actually, intelligent life in our galaxy may not be rare. The number of exoplanets found that are in the habitable zones of stars is quite high. We also now have evidence that life started quite early in our planet's formation, indicating that life isn't so random and haphazard after all, but might be quite routine given sufficient conditions to support it. So, there could be billions of planets in our galaxy that have life of some kind.

So then either the aliens DO care if we notice them and this is a strategic move on their part to "change the level of the game"... or there are no aliens and this is foreign technology.

It may be some kind of show of force (perhaps something akin to The Day the Earth Stood Still, if you are familiar with that film- there are certainly UFO stories that are akin to that, such as the one in Ariel, Zimbabwe in 1994). Or it could be simple curiosity or even an attempt to communicate. It's hard to say as any civilization that could build such technology would probably have motives that are difficult to understand. Similar to how Native Americans initially had trouble understanding the motivations of European explorers.

The way its being done now looks like "an advertising campaign" not spook-works espionage.

Perhaps. Jacques Valle used to put forward the hypothesis that UFO's are actually an attempt to influence human mythology and psychology on the part of some advanced, non-human intelligence.

Personally, I believe that it could be something of "all of the above".
 
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Personally, I believe that it could be something of "all of the above".

I like the way you pull in a lot of various facts surrounding this news items.

One thing is for certain - all the "hand-waiving dismissal it is just swamp gas" ploys of the past - do not cut-the-mustard in today's world no matter how "talented" one wishes to imagine swamp gas to be.

Those offhand dismissals had the strong overtone of "over simplification". Which left the door open to some pretty wild imaginative alternatives in years past.

If aliens are engaging us as part of their advertising campaign - then there is an agenda and end-game plan to it.

My guess is that the news from the Pentagon report will be what we already have as of the new revelations from the Pentagon - which is:
1. No these are not candid videos of really talented swamp gas.
2. Yes we should be very concerned if it is our adversaries with total domination of airspace - even restricted U.S. airspace.
3. We are unwilling to say what the source is - other than it is not window-glare and not swamp-gas and not something we want our adversaries to be capable of doing.
 
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I like the way you pull in a lot of various facts surrounding this news items.

One thing is for certain - all the "hand-waiving dismissal it is just swamp gas" ploys of the past - do not cut-the-mustard in today's world no matter how "talented" one wishes to imagine swamp gas to be.

People are too familiar with the phenomenon now so the old Project Grudge/Blue Book approach will not work.

Those offhand dismissals had the strong overtone of "over simplification". Which left the door open to some pretty wild imaginative alternatives in years past.

Sure, I've heard similar seeming oversimplifications in regards to the recent declassified Navy material. "Weather balloon/bird" etc. If US Navy personnel trained to classify and track targets routinely confuse balloons and birds for high performance craft, we are in alot of trouble.

If aliens are engaging us as part of their advertising campaign - then there is an agenda and end-game plan to it.

Of course, but agendas don't have to be particular sinister, even if they would be hard for us to comprehend or contextualize.

1. No these are not candid videos of really talented swamp gas.
2. Yes we should be very concerned if it is our adversaries with total domination of airspace - even restricted U.S. airspace.
3. We are unwilling to say what the source is - other than it is not window-glare and not swamp-gas and not something we want our adversaries to be capable of doing.

US military personnel need to be able to report contacts, no matter how unusual, that that they encounter without fear of stigma, due to the chance that it could lead to novel weapons systems being overlooked. Russians already have supercavitating torpedoes that travel at 200 knots, for instance. And it's possible a hypersonic missile could be mistakenly dismissed as a "flying saucer", since the whole point of hypersonic missiles is that their movement would be relatively fast and unpredictable.
 
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If US Navy personnel trained to classify and track targets routinely confuse balloons and birds for high performance craft, we are in alot of trouble.

At Pearl Harbor they did something like that. Thinking that the newly installed radar showing a ton of bombers headed toward the Island - were just a flock of birds or must be a glitch in the radar. That kind of thinking did not end well.

US military personnel need to be able to report contacts, no matter how unusual, that that they encounter without fear of stigma, due to the chance that it could lead to novel weapons systems being overlooked

True but one wonders what the "Motivation" was for suppressing those reports. One thing is very clear - a lot of military pilots report that any reporting of that type was frowned upon and placed the pilot at risk. That fact ALONE even with no UFO unexplained UAP at all - would be cause for alarm. Yet the fact is that almost everybody knew they had that as a disincentive and simply winked at it. What were they thinking??!!!

About 20 years ago a family member of mine was heavily involved in missile defense and I mentioned to him that all an adversary had to do is dress up a potential threat "as if" it were a UFO and they could fly right on to restricted air space unchallenged, because of the goofy rules we were using.

a hypersonic missile could be mistakenly dismissed as a "flying saucer", since the whole point of hypersonic missiles is that their movement would be relatively fast and unpredictable.

I am not aware of any missiles having high maneuverability while flying at hypersonic speeds
 
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Curiously.... no Jewish Space Laser jokes????
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Curiously.... no Jewish Space Laser jokes????

It is like we were just talking about how great it would have been at Pearl Harbor when they saw all those "radar anomalies" if they had paid attention to it - instead of imagining it to be "radar glitches" and/or Jewish space lasers used to interfere with the brand new radar at Pearl Harbor.

(ok the glitches idea is the one they were stuck on as the bombs started falling... but if they had thought of Jewish-space-lasers I am sure that would have come in at a close second)
 
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