Now non-white people can be white

[Ana the Ist]

This part makes sense to me -

"So there's been a whole lot of people thinking and theorizing about white supremacy. And all of these scholars share a view that I share, that whiteness is not the same thing as white people and that whiteness is actually better understood as a political project that has emerged historically, and that is dynamic and that is always changing. And so whiteness as an ideology is rooted in America's history of white supremacy - right? - which has to do with the legacy of slavery or Indigenous dispossession or Jim Crow".

They could clear up some of the confusion by using different terminology.

That makes sense to you?

I see that and immediately notice that whiteness never actually gets defined.

Would you be able to describe whiteness based on that paragraph?

 

[Ana the Ist]

They had to come up with a term to pigeonhole conservative black people that wasn't explicitly racist.

Really just any black person who disagrees with the narrative.

The new left is trying to make an ideology that excludes all other ideas.

I don't really have time to describe how dangerous that is.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'd probably lump that one under "politicians with savior complexes" - which, in hindsight, may not have been the best descriptor I could've used. Either way, what I intended to imply were motivations that were arguably good, but ill-advised.

I'll concede that I'm not super well-read on the history of the Korean War, but my understanding is that the motivation for the war was primarily strategic - that the US didn't want to allow communism to spread further through the region - rather than concern for the welfare of the people of South Korea. From what I recall, Syngman Rhee wasn't the most benevolent of leaders. I'm not going to argue that communism was good - but I'm pretty skeptical that our decades of combatting it with militarism and despotic puppet regimes was the best course of action.

Yeah sure...fighting the spread of communism and promoting democracy was the given reason.

What we achieved though was the saving of a nation that would go on to prosper and thrive for decades to the benefit of tens of millions of foreigners.

Given the stated reason, relative benefits, it's hard for me to pick a war that had a better outcome for so many people who were saved by what is essentially a completely foreign nation.

They could also help matters by identifying characteristics of other races as well. Instead of talking so much about whiteness, when are they going to get around to talking about what blackness is, or Asianness, or hispancness? It would go a long way to showing how different white people are from everyone else, and highlight distinctions between the others as well, and even show us how Asians and blacks and hispanics are so much "better"than white people.

Lol the theory of race was all but put to bed in the 90s I think. Whenever we finished the mapping of the genome.

IQ is the last super touchy subject that no one who wants a career talks about.

Regardless though, race tells us nothing meaningful about a person. To base assumptions about individuals based upon race is racist and factually incorrect .

 

[iluvatar5150]

Identity Socialists treat everyone outside of their "tribe" as outsiders

Growing up in a country dominated by white men, I suppose they learned from the best, eh?

If you keep treating Middle America as deplorable unwashed outsiders, you have no one to blame but yourself for their failure to accept your ideology

Fundamentalist Christians have been entertaining separatist ideologies and persecution complexes for over a century, which they then spread to Middle America. They withdrew themselves as much as anything.

What country on planet earth has accepted more immigrants and wound up being more diverse than America?

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level - Wikipedia

Per capita, lots of countries have more immigrants than us:
List of sovereign states and dependent territories by immigrant population - Wikipedia

Sure seems like you're the one being self-righteous, holier than thou, and (justifying yourself being) "Puritanically" rejectivist

I'm tired of hearing conservatives whine about being ostracized from culture when each generation of conservatives practically trips over themselves to be less integrated with society than the previous.

ProTip: If you want to be included and not seen as "deplorable," don't paint the side of your pickup with a cartoon of a grifter who built his political career on racist conspiracy theories.

Yeah sure...fighting the spread of communism and promoting democracy was the given reason.

What we achieved though was the saving of a nation that would go on to prosper and thrive for decades to the benefit of tens of millions of foreigners.

Given the stated reason, relative benefits, it's hard for me to pick a war that had a better outcome for so many people who were saved by what is essentially a completely foreign nation.

My comments were originally directed at the motives for our waging war. It's undeniably good that SK turned out as well as it did; but that's more of a happy byproduct than the original goal.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Growing up in a country dominated by white men, I suppose they learned from the best, eh?

Is that a confession that conceptually....they're just as racist?

Fundamentalist Christians have been entertaining separatist ideologies and persecution complexes for over a century, which they then spread to Middle America. They withdrew themselves as much as anything.

Hey funny....I think I made this comparison a year ago .

You know what the best part of claiming victimhood is? One need not actually be a victim to enjoy the attention and care lavished upon victims....particularly if people for some strange reason decide to abandon all scrutiny of the claim and instead rely upon stereotypes of superficial characteristics.

List of countries ranked by ethnic and cultural diversity level - Wikipedia

Per capita, lots of countries have more immigrants than us:
List of sovereign states and dependent territories by immigrant population - Wikipedia



I'm tired of hearing conservatives whine about being ostracized from culture when each generation of conservatives practically trips over themselves to be less integrated with society than the previous.

ProTip: If you want to be included and not seen as "deplorable," don't paint the side of your pickup with a cartoon of a grifter who built his political career on racist conspiracy theories.

We get that you don't like Trump....

Are you aware Biden is now defending racial segregation in schools and does it concern you at all?

If not....can we assume that you only pretend to care about racial discrimination?

My comments were originally directed at the motives for our waging war. It's undeniably good that SK turned out as well as it did; but that's more of a happy byproduct than the original goal.

I don't know enough to contest that....but even if accidental as outcomes go....it's almost unparalleled in it's accidental generosity.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Is that a confession that conceptually....they're just as racist?



Hey funny....I think I made this comparison a year ago .

You know what the best part of claiming victimhood is? One need not actually be a victim to enjoy the attention and care lavished upon victims....particularly if people for some strange reason decide to abandon all scrutiny of the claim and instead rely upon stereotypes of superficial characteristics.



We get that you don't like Trump....

Are you aware Biden is now defending racial segregation in schools and does it concern you at all?

If not....can we assume that you only pretend to care about racial discrimination?



I don't know enough to contest that....but even if accidental as outcomes go....it's almost unparalleled in it's accidental generosity.

In case you aren't aware of what I meant by racial segregation...

Education Dept. curbs decision on race-based 'affinity groups'

I'd like to think it's more nuanced than this....but no one on the left is talking about it at all.

It's hard not to conclude that the Democrats are now the party that favors racial segregation and discrimination in schools.

I honestly think Trump was racist...but little of his policy positions reflected it. It's mostly in his statements to and about others. It's not good.....but it's comparatively small damage.

This is racial segregation and discrimination in schools. Call it by any other name....they divided children and educators by race and treated them differently according to race.

It's exactly the same as racial segregation.

Surely you are aware of how much damage this can do....particularly since I'm certain you weren't a fan of the old version of this that was outlawed decades ago.

If Democrats don't support racism, racist discrimination, and racial segregation....they should have stripped these teachers of their credentials at the least. Instead, they gave them the green light to proceed.

I'm interested in what political conversations will look like in a year. We've all seen the old argument of how Democrats and Republicans swapped positions on racism in the past.....

Well guess what? You swapped back.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Is that a confession that conceptually....they're just as racist?

My main point is that complaining about SJW's et al fomenting hyphenated-american identities overlooks the fact that those non-wholly-American identities were originally enforced by the ruling white majority.

We get that you don't like Trump....

Are you aware Biden is now defending racial segregation in schools and does it concern you at all?

If not....can we assume that you only pretend to care about racial discrimination?

I am not aware.

 

[Ana the Ist]

My main point is that complaining about SJW's et al fomenting hyphenated-american identities overlooks the fact that those non-wholly-American identities were originally enforced by the ruling white majority..

You left out the part where we agree that was a morally, ethically, and damaging thing to do and should be opposed if it ever appears again in the future regardless of who is pushing it....

Right?

You understand the theory of race has been disproved rather convincingly?

 

[iluvatar5150]

You left out the part where we agree that was a morally, ethically, and damaging thing to do and should be opposed if it ever appears again in the future regardless of who is pushing it....

Right?

Not sure I do agree. It’s one thing to create a segregated system like that. It’s another thing to acknowledge the system that exists and then navigate it.

You understand the theory of race has been disproved rather convincingly?

That’s irrelevant as far as my comments are concerned- whether or not race itself is real, society’s treatment of it is real.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not sure I do agree.

What moral principle do you object against Jim Crow on then?

If racial discrimination is acceptable....you can't possibly claim that actors in the past did any wrong.

That’s irrelevant as far as my comments are concerned- whether or not race itself is real, society’s treatment of it is real.

I don't have much confidence in the ability of people to distinguish "real" from "false" if they accept this racial dogma.

Society isn't fair in far more ways than I can count....racism is but one.

If you intend to complain about racism in the future I suggest you consider how you will explain why you looked the other way while the left reinstituted racism after fighting so hard to remove it from the very same institutions.

That or....you know....drop the pretense of actually holding a moral position.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Just when we thought it couldn't get any more weird....

If you think you're safe from being called a racist or even "white privileged" just because you're not white, think again. They now have a new label---Multicultural Whiteness. Enjoy!

Understanding Multiracial Whiteness And Trump Supporters

Transracial whiteness?

 

[Pommer]

Transracial whiteness?

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Transracial whiteness?

It's just a designation for out group status.

Basically exactly what a white supremacist would call a race traitor.

The only real difference is the white supremacists are honest about what they believe lol.

 

[98cwitr]

Really just any black person who disagrees with the narrative.

The new left is trying to make an ideology that excludes all other ideas.

I don't really have time to describe how dangerous that is.

It's why the media and everyone speaks as if LGBT is this singular collective juggernaut, when in fact (as Dave Chappelle observed comically) that there is plenty individual thought and deviation of social and political ideology among gays versus bi versus transgenders.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It's why the media and everyone speaks as if LGBT is this singular collective juggernaut, when in fact (as Dave Chappelle observed comically) that there is plenty individual thought and deviation of social and political ideology among gays versus bi versus transgenders.

Well, I suppose that undermines the "homosexual agenda" narrative a bit.

 

[98cwitr]

Well, I suppose that undermines the "homosexual agenda" narrative a bit.

Tip of the iceberg and just a single wheel in the cogged machine of western cultural destruction.

 

[SummerMadness]

Tip of the iceberg and just a single wheel in the cogged machine of western cultural destruction.

The LGBT community has been around for centuries, I fail to see how that will mean the destruction of civilization more now than before.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Growing up in a country dominated by white men, I suppose they learned from the best, eh?

You recognize that lumping all ethnically white Americans in with Jefferson Davis is called "stereo-typing" and is "racist" ?

Just like high school Wellness class, remember ?

 

[Erik Nelson]

those non-wholly-American identities were originally enforced by the ruling white majority

"the"...

as in "the single one and only"...

again, that lumping all together is called "stereo-typing" and is thusly "racist"

 

[iluvatar5150]

You recognize that lumping all ethnically white Americans in with Jefferson Davis is called "stereo-typing" and is "racist" ?

Just like high school Wellness class, remember ?

"the"...

as in "the single one and only"...

again, that lumping all together is called "stereo-typing" and is thusly "racist"

lol k buddy. Your tortured strawmen are still bogus no matter how hard you try to shoehorn them into an “I know you are but what am I” rebuttal.