Now, I MIGHT be a bit biased, but…

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It seems to me that people who are concerned about what their children and college students are learning in our schools and places of higher education, seem to have ceased to realize that subversive thinking needs to be taught in order for future Republicans to understand why it is bad (other than just toeing the party-line).

These are the very places where these “bad political philosophies” are supposed to be exposed to students.
If most Universities just taught what is “okay to teach” how would we grow as a society? Unless one thinks that we’ve achieved the absolute pinnacle of a healthy and free society, then we should strive to make things better for more people over “maximum freedom” for some.

In other words, universities are part of the same system, as a check on “how we’ve always done it”, which humans are prone to, personally and politically.

So, “change and grow?” or “stagnant and die?”, our choice as a society.
Have a great evening!
 

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It seems to me that people who are concerned about what their children and college students are learning in our schools and places of higher education, seem to have ceased to realize that subversive thinking needs to be taught in order for future Republicans to understand why it is bad (other than just toeing the party-line).

These are the very places where these “bad political philosophies” are supposed to be exposed to students.
If most Universities just taught what is “okay to teach” how would we grow as a society? Unless one thinks that we’ve achieved the absolute pinnacle of a healthy and free society, then we should strive to make things better for more people over “maximum freedom” for some.

In other words, universities are part of the same system, as a check on “how we’ve always done it”, which humans are prone to, personally and politically.

So, “change and grow?” or “stagnant and die?”, our choice as a society.
Have a great evening!
I'd hope that they'd be taught to think critically about any given position. If it was a politics class then I'd give a brief synopsis of socialism and then capitalism and ask for a show of hands who thought socialism might be the better option. Then ask all those students to give me 500 words on why it wasn't the better option. And the others to give me 500 words on why capitalism was the least preferable.

You can't argue against something if you don't understand it.
 
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I'd hope that they'd be taught to think critically about any given position. If it was a politics class then I'd give a brief synopsis of socialism and then capitalism and ask for a show of hands who thought socialism might be the better option. Then ask all those students to give me 500 words on why it wasn't the better option. And the others to give me 500 words on why capitalism was the least preferable.

You can't argue against something if you don't understand it.
Exactly.
Okay some are going to say to themselves, “hey maybe working towards achieving a system where we valued human beings as human beings and not as ‘good workers’ would be a worthy goal?”, but never nearly enough, to actually effect any such change is the balance that the Right seems to want to eschew?
 
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Exactly.
Okay some are going to say to themselves, “hey maybe working towards achieving a system where we valued human beings as human beings and not as ‘good workers’ would be a worthy goal?”
Possibly not grasping your point here. You should be both. But we shouldn't treat people simply as a part of the machinery of production.
 
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If you're not permanent then none of it matters in the end anyway. What's the point in worrying about stuff that's not going to have any bearing hundreds of years from now? If it doesn't matter then, then it doesn't matter now. Politics is irrelevant.
 
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Sounds like you're having a bad day, TB.

Bad day or not feel free to point out where I was wrong.

Matthew 7:12. But you knew that anyway.
Yeah but scripture isn't much of an authority to somebody who has none. At the end of the day we're just matter smacking up against other matter with no reason as to why matter matters right? Nihilism is inescapable, without some tangible permanence within materialism everything you've written on this website or done in this life is irrelevant. How is it possible for you to go on in this life without feeling this fact every single day? I remember when I did and it sucked.
 
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Bad day or not feel free to point out where I was wrong.


Yeah but scripture isn't much of an authority to somebody who has none. At the end of the day we're just matter smacking up against other matter with no reason as to why matter matters right? Nihilism is inescapable, without some tangible permanence within materialism everything you've written on this website or done in this life is irrelevant. How is it possible for you to go on in this life without feeling this fact every single day? I remember when I did and it sucked.
We (non-Christians) cannot have empathy because we don’t “believe right” about God?
 
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Possibly not grasping your point here. You should be both. But we shouldn't treat people simply as a part of the machinery of production.
It seems for some of our friends on the Right that everything would be better in our society/world if “the Left” simply went away.
The Left is what keeps the Right from devolving into end-stage capitalism; (that is), the Left is a necessary component for the correct functioning of the overall system.

Schools, colleges and Universities are the repositories of the Lefty ideologies because that’s where we keep them.
 
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We (non-Christians) cannot have empathy because we don’t “believe right” about God?
You can have empathy you just have no reason to be empathetic. I used to be a (non-Christian) too, if people have no inherent value then it doesn't matter how you treat them, the only reason for treating them a certain way is to receive a benefit to yourself. And in the end if everything you do will be forgotten then it doesn't matter anyway right? :).
 
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You can have empathy you just have no reason to be empathetic. I used to be a (non-Christian) too, if people have no inherent value then it doesn't matter how you treat them, the only reason for treating them a certain way is to receive a benefit to yourself. And in the end if everything you do will be forgotten then it doesn't matter anyway right? :).
Why is Christianity required for people to have inherent value?
 
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It seems to me that people who are concerned about what their children and college students are learning in our schools and places of higher education, seem to have ceased to realize that subversive thinking needs to be taught in order for future Republicans to understand why it is bad (other than just toeing the party-line).

These are the very places where these “bad political philosophies” are supposed to be exposed to students.
If most Universities just taught what is “okay to teach” how would we grow as a society? Unless one thinks that we’ve achieved the absolute pinnacle of a healthy and free society, then we should strive to make things better for more people over “maximum freedom” for some.

In other words, universities are part of the same system, as a check on “how we’ve always done it”, which humans are prone to, personally and politically.

So, “change and grow?” or “stagnant and die?”, our choice as a society.
Have a great evening!
Is not subversive thinking an attempt to negatively influence dominant values and traditions in a society? Education is not an indoctrination, that is where the misunderstanding begins. For example CRT is merely a system to understand the depth of racial inequality within the system of incarceration. But a group decided to weaponize it thus produced fear in order to control.
I am reminded of the Bible, in all its glory, is not shy about including the atrocities by men within it pages yet, its history is used to justify lawless behavior. So let us reason together! Bring the past into the light whether good or bad without corruption.
Thanks for posting !
Blessings.
 
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For sure universities should teach about the various forms of tyranny that have been employed through history, mainly so the "dont tread on me" people can gain an understanding of what actual tyranny is. Except college courses might not be the best way to reach them on average.

Maybe instead we start Dont Tread On Me Book Clubs. Lets start with some Milosz:

The Captive Mind was written soon after the author's defection from Stalinist Poland in 1951. In it, Miłosz drew upon his experiences as an illegal author during the Nazi Occupation and of being a member of the ruling class of the postwar People's Republic of Poland. The book attempts to explain the allure of Stalinism to intellectuals, its adherents' thought processes, and the existence of both dissent and collaboration within the postwar Soviet Bloc. Miłosz described that he wrote the book "under great inner conflict".
The Captive Mind - Wikipedia
 
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You can have empathy you just have no reason to be empathetic. I used to be a (non-Christian) too, if people have no inherent value then it doesn't matter how you treat them, the only reason for treating them a certain way is to receive a benefit to yourself. And in the end if everything you do will be forgotten then it doesn't matter anyway right? :).
Please don't stop being a christian. Judging by your post, it's the only thing holding you together.
 
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Bad day or not feel free to point out where I was wrong.


Yeah but scripture isn't much of an authority to somebody who has none. At the end of the day we're just matter smacking up against other matter with no reason as to why matter matters right? Nihilism is inescapable, without some tangible permanence within materialism everything you've written on this website or done in this life is irrelevant. How is it possible for you to go on in this life without feeling this fact every single day? I remember when I did and it sucked.
You got no family? No friends? No wife? Nobody that loves you and no-one that you love? You don't get enjoyment just waking up and watching the sunrise? It was stunning this morning. No art that moves you? No music that can make you cry? No pleasure in the simple things of life? A crisp cover drive, a perfect pass, a beautiful backhand? A smokey malt?

If you can't get true enjoyment out of life without some kind of divine belief then I sincerely hope you don't lose it. But hey, my son just brought my granddaughter over, so no more from me. She's actually giving me a hug as I try to type this. Oh, sorry...she's smacking her matter up against mine for no reason whatsoever...
 
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