Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

[Factotum]

... we've now got to the point where people are saying that people dealing in drugs should be summarily killed...

In this case, "People" = terrorists.

I think that changes a lot of things not mentioned in your post where the excerpt came from.

 

[Factotum]

Terrorists are classified as "unprivileged belligerents."

Okay, I can respect your decision to list that.

What are you asking?

Can you tell if that same "unprivileged belligerents' criterion should be found here: https://www.state.gov/executive-order-13224#criteria ...??

 

[7thKeeper]

In this case, "People" = terrorists.

I think that changes a lot of things not mentioned in your post where the excerpt came from.

It doesn't.

 

[Nithavela]

Looks like they were surrendering.
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Come on. They were obviously signalling the positions of the us navy towards their allies for a missile strike by semaphore.

 

[Nithavela]

I read a book a few weeks ago called One Second After. It's about what happens in the US, primarily in one small town, when some unamed enemy sets off a number of Electro Magnetic Pulse weapons over the country. All electrics are fried. So next to no transport, lighting, power, comms...almost everything is dead.

It is chilling how convincing the collapse in 'civilised' behaviour is portrayed and the rule of law goes out of the window. New rules are the norm. Brutal laws. Severe punishments. People who were upstanding members of the community revert to being judge, jury and executioner.

In one case a couple of relatively young guys are caught stealing and dealing drugs. Their 'trial' lasts a few minutes. The sentence is carried out when they are dragged out to the local basketball court and shot in the head in front of cheering God fearin' town folk.

I was honestly chilled reading that at the time at how society can revert to carrying out such barbaric acts so quickly. It's positively medieval.

You're already there, my friend.

It's been shown that in times of crisis humans are actually more likely to help each other than to instantly revert to barbarism.

 

[Nithavela]

In this case, "People" = terrorists.

I think that changes a lot of things not mentioned in your post where the excerpt came from.

Why the scare quotes. Terrorists are still people, not "people". They are not vermin you are free to exterminate without regard for human rights.

Well, they are, but only because human rights are a joke. Not because they are terrorists.

 

[Factotum]

still people... They are not vermin you are free to exterminate without regard for human rights.

What I feel is saddest?
Is if we hate our nation and/or the US President so much... to whereas we vehemently protect Terrorists' desire to traffick that which factually exterminate vulnerable USA citizens and residents without regard for human life, as if USA humans are vermin.

 

[Nithavela]

What I feel is saddest?
Is if we hate our nation and/or the US President so much... to whereas we vehemently protect Terrorists' desire to traffick that which factually exterminate vulnerable USA citizens and residents without regard for human life, as if USA humans are vermin.

So we've gone from narco-terrorists to just pure terrorists, hmm?

If one is serious about human rights, one protects the rights of every human.

Of course it is a common trope that we can't spare a single ounce of compassion, or even basic decency, for "them" when we haven't fully taken care of "us".

Yet we never seem to get around to actually helping "ourselves". We are far too busy stomping on "them".