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Not that "before Evolution: you must become a fish", but Jesus never said "before man, be ape"

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Gottservant, Mar 21, 2021.

What is the maximum number of changes a species can make from its original form?

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  1. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    The whole point I keep trying to make, is that multiple ways of addressing the same survival, are preserved together, with those that are "used" (to cause the species to survive).

    If I survive by climbing a tree, all the various heights of climbing a tree are preserved together, by the one adaptation to climb a tree.

    This is typically called a "knock on effect".
     
  2. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Just to be clear: no amount of knock on effects, can ever create a different species.
     
  3. Shemjaza

    Shemjaza Regular Member Supporter

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    Why not?

    (That's assuming you are talking about knock on effects from genetic changes.)
     
  4. Mr Laurier

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    Thats nice.
    Take a population of grazing animals, living in a lush grassland.
    Split that population into two sub populations.
    Leave population (A) in the lush grasslands.
    Move population (B) to a drier area, with less grass, and more scrub.

    Watch for a few hundred generations.
     
  5. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Because the success of an adaptation, is weighed in the context of the species.

    You can't weigh something in the context of "many" species, because you only have one "image" of a species to work with (your own).

    You could weigh many species with many images, but the exponential difficulty prohibits it (at least in terms of successful flourishing).
     
  6. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    God does not change the gratitude a species has, for being that species - He forgives presuming upon that gratitude, that that species could change (from being that species).
     
  7. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    I think the point for Jesus, is that calling Men "fish" is a way of saying "men don't fear God, without being caught".

    Whereas Darwin calling Men "descendents of apes" is a way of saying "men can't be trained to trust God, if they won't come out of their territory"

    Have you come out of your territory - Evolutionists - ? Or are you just going with the flow?
     
  8. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    I am confident even after a hundred generations, you would still be looking at grazing animals.
     
  9. Bradskii

    Bradskii Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone understand any of this thread?
     
  10. Mr Laurier

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    And?
    Unicorn does not change the gratitude a species has, for being that species.
    There is nothing about forgiving in my post.
     
  11. Mr Laurier

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    And? Would genetic drift not cause speciation?
     
  12. Shemjaza

    Shemjaza Regular Member Supporter

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    Yes. And if enough adaptions build up in the population then it is considered a different species.

    There isn't a problem in studying a species that isn't your own.

    A lion is a different species to a tiger... and I don't have to be any kind of cat to see this.
     
  13. Warden_of_the_Storm

    Warden_of_the_Storm Well-Known Member

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    I think that you talking an absolute load of codswallop and nonsense, and that you REALLY need to actually learn about the theory of evolution and science in general.

    Evolution is not a religious belief, like you keep hoping it to be. Evolution is merely a name to describe the change of a species due to environmental pressures.
     
  14. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    No. None of us do. It's not just you.
     
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