not sure i believe in heaven anymore???

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I guess you didn't get the memo---He would have died, even if it had been only for you. No one knows the percentage and to Him it is worth it whatever it is. This is for everyone that He died---it is a done deal. The problem is that not many choose to accept His sacrifice. Never the less---it is there, free for the asking. Sadly, many refuse. He has already chosen everyone---sadly, not everyone chooses Him.
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oh ok. it just seem slike jesus did not need to put himself throug that for so few so insignificant a number...........

But where have you dreamed up this 2% anyway. We do read,

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

So where are you getting 2%? So you've allowed yourself to get discouraged over a speculative notion you have that can't even be backed up with facts.
 
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i heard a prophet say recently that only 2% christians go to heaven.
Don't give credence to such percentages. God has not set such a cutoff as your warped logic (no offense meant; that is how OCD rolls) has turned that phrase into.

Be faithful to the revelation that you have,
continue to follow after His Spirit and you will do okay.

"He has shown you, O @WrappedUpinHisLove3, what is good;
And what does the Lord require of you
  • But to do justly,
  • To love mercy,
  • And to walk humbly with your God?" Micah 6:8 NKJV
 
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But where have you dreamed up this 2% anyway. We do read,

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

So where are you getting 2%? So you've allowed yourself to get discouraged over a speculative notion you have that can't even be backed up with facts.

it was a prophet. she involved in the holiness church. she warned me i need ot take off my make up and hiugh heels to be accepted
 
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it was a prophet. she involved in the holiness church. she warned me i need ot take off my make up and hiugh heels to be accepted
Wow really? Wow does that still happen in 21st century? Song of Solomon 4:7
 
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OK,i believe heaven exists. but i heard a prophet say recently that only 2% christians go to heaven. so why did Jesus bother dying for so small a number? i mean, i guess it is nice for THEM that He did but what about the rest of us?

I wouldn't listen to a prophet. I'd listen to what Jesus says in the gospels, and what Paul and John say in their epistles. I don't think anywhere in there there's a set number, yes, it's gonna be a minority of people but that doesn't mean one of those people can't be you, or anyone you know that you win over to Christ.
But for heaven itself.. that's not our final destination anyways (it's a layover). We get a new version of earth and are resurrected in physical bodies that do not die.
God has promised you a real world that you can touch, not a spiritual floaty formless ethereal eternity.
 
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it was a prophet. she involved in the holiness church. she warned me i need ot take off my make up and hiugh heels to be accepted
If she thinks that is what makes one holy, she disqualifies herself as a prophetess. Is that the church you have been attending so far?

It's no wonder you have been struggling with/pushing legalism. God tells us to change and give up things from time-to-time but not that way. It arises from internal conviction of the Holy Spirit, as you grow in Him.
 
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If she thinks that is what makes one holy, she disqualifies herself as a prophetess. Is that the church you have been attending so far?

It's no wonder you have been struggling with/pushing legalism. God tells us to change and give up things from time-to-time but not that way. It arises from internal conviction of the Holy Spirit, as you grow in Him.

no, not my church. just a random lady on facebook. i could never go to a church like that. i grew up in a horrible legalsitic one and have decided am just sticking to very inclusive churches from now on!
 
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i grew up in a horrible legalsitic one and have decided am just sticking to very inclusive churches from now on!
Holiness IS a requirement for Heaven, but it is maintained three ways,
  1. Following where God leads you. (Read your Bible & go to church to get directions.)
  2. Obeying whatever He tells you to do.
  3. And repenting on those occasions where you fail to do either of the above [1 John 1:9].
 
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OK,i believe heaven exists. but i heard a prophet say recently that only 2% christians go to heaven. so why did Jesus bother dying for so small a number? i mean, i guess it is nice for THEM that He did but what about the rest of us?
Revelation 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

There will be a great multitude that no man can number that will enter into heaven. Not everyone will enter into it though as many will not make it in because they chose not to keep his commandments out of faith(Matt 7:22-23). Even taking this into consideration still a great multitude that no man can number will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Hope this helps
 
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Holiness IS a requirement for Heaven, but it is maintained three ways,
  1. Following where God leads you. (Read your Bible & go to church to get directions.)
  2. Obeying whatever He tells you to do.
  3. And repenting on those occasions where you fail to do either of the above [1 John 1:9].

oh ican do those things. i do those things anyway. number 3 i do daily!
 
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Revelation 7:
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

There will be a great multitude that no man can number that will enter into heaven. Not everyone will enter into it though as many will not make it in because they chose not to keep his commandments out of faith(Matt 7:22-23). Even taking this into consideration still a great multitude that no man can number will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Hope this helps

I do find that very comforting and helpful, thank you
 
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no but would Jesus die even if it were just like 5 people? 1 person? seriously???! he loves just one person that much??
Yes He would. Don't you understand rebellious angels changed God's plan for humanity. Giving humans knowledge God did not want them to have. His love is beyond understanding, how would you describe His love. Abraham asked God the same question.
 
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John 6:39

That does not say what you want it to say---I've been through threads and threads on this---there is not one single verse that says there is salvation after death, nothing states anyone comes out of the lake of fire to be with God for eternity.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 
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