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Non-Trinitarian "not by men or by a man"

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Ripheus27, Sep 28, 2018.

  1. Ripheus27

    Ripheus27 Holeless fox

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    There are many passages in the New Testament that, depending on the translation, clearly state that Christ is God. For example, there is the one that goes "Christ, Who is God over all," which however has been translated in such a way (addition of a period or a different order to the wording) that the passage does not clearly proclaim such a thing. There's also, "God appeared in a body," which is often otherwise translated as, "He appeared in a body," due to the details of the word translated as "God" being similar to the word for "He."

    Now all that being said, what do Unitarians make of the passage (I believe it's at the start of Galatians) where Paul says he received the gospel and was appointed to be an apostle, "not by men or by a man" but by Jesus Christ? Isn't Paul unequivocally stating that Christ is not a man, as such? I know Christ's human form is a man, granted, but the implication then is that Christ has a nature as a man, but also another nature that allows us to say of Him that He is not (just) a man, and since He is not, genetically speaking, an angel (as Hebrews specifies for us), this leaves only one option, namely, Christ is God.
     
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  2. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    We can see Jesus, we can not see the Father or the Holy Spirit. He lived His life as an example for us to follow.
     
  3. Jane_Doe

    Jane_Doe Well-Known Member

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    Trinitarians aren't the only people who believe Christ was/is 100% divine and God.
    I'm a non-Trintarain and 100% believe that.
     
  4. tampasteve

    tampasteve Lutheran Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    I was thinking along the same lines too, but was thinking about Oneness believers, then I noticed the part of the OP where it says "...what do Unitarians make of the passage...." and assumed the OP was desiring a Unitarian perspective, which there is no tag for other than non-Trinitarian. Too bad we do not have more tags, it would help clarify some questions, I think.
     
  5. Ripheus27

    Ripheus27 Holeless fox

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    My bad, I was going by the demographics, so to speak. "Non-Trinitarian" usually overlaps "Unitarian," and in previous years when I posted on this site, it was mostly in that context.
     
  6. tampasteve

    tampasteve Lutheran Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Oh, it definitely overlaps "Non-Trinitarian" as Unitarians are non-Trinitarians. You picked the correct tag. :)
     
  7. Daniel Marsh

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    The original post sounds confused to me.
     
  8. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    Paul's statement isn't Christological. Since Jesus Christ most certainly is human, being both God and man in the unity of His Person. Instead Paul's point is that what he received has Christ's authority behind it, not simply the authority of some human, i.e. earthly source. Paul wasn't given his apostolic commission from a group of people, but from Jesus personally.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  9. Berl

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    This type of awakening/revelation only happens within the conscience, not just Paul or Jesus who both stated they could do nothing while going through this earthly valley of death to be reborn, that new creature is Chris/light In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world, that didn't just start to happen with Jesus motif that was a typology of every souls ( the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world) journey into this mortal maze of limited perception since the foundation of this temporal awareness, Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father, 2Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

    That wake up call is littered through out our fable, fairytales and legend in plain sight yet we stay asleep like snow white until the kiss within,Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light follow that light not mans religions that teach you to worship a god outside your self that defile you, Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
     
  10. Daniel Marsh

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    What exactly are those specific texts you are speaking of?
     
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