Non-Pauline Christians

[Joseph474]

How did you get into non-Pauline non-trinitarian Messianism?

Sabbath Shalom!
Because of Torah of Messiah website in Oct-Nov, 2012. Then Sherry Shriner who I later find is a confirmed false prophet and paganizer and then JWO, TruthSeekers maybe in Mar 2013.

 

[Joseph474]

As my extended family also noticed, Paul is incessantly preached in their corporate churches ... but Messiah's Words from the gospels are rarely mentioned. They never noticed this before, until I pointed it out to them!

Well our Beth Yeshua is quite quiet on Paul, seriously. I did not get kicked out for not being a Paulian. I shared my faith with a sister over there. She did not get angry. Although our "rabbi"(I do not recognize him as rabbi because he is not Yeshua though he is a nice guy.) try to defend Paul.

 

[Joseph474]

Non-Pauline Christians please join:
http://www.christianforums.com/groups/545/

 

[Joseph474]

Another anti-Paul website online:
Lamps With Oil
http://lampswithoil.org/tracts/paul-the-false-apostle/introduction/

 

[interpreter]

I also am a non-Pauline Christian because Paul taught false doctrines. There is no rapture because Jesus never mentioned a rapture. And we are not saved entirely by faith and grace because the Revelation says in the final judgment everyone is judged according to their works.

 

[Joseph474]

I also am a non-Pauline Christian because Paul taught false doctrines. There is no rapture because Jesus never mentioned a rapture. And we are not saved entirely by faith and grace because the Revelation says in the final judgment everyone is judged according to their works.

 

[All Souls]

Have you ever read the corpus of F C Baur?

 

[ananda]

Well our Beth Yeshua is quite quiet on Paul, seriously. I did not get kicked out for not being a Paulian. I shared my faith with a sister over there. She did not get angry. Although our "rabbi"(I do not recognize him as rabbi because he is not Yeshua though he is a nice guy.) try to defend Paul.

Excellent testimony, my friend.

 

[RevelationTestament]

I also am a non-Pauline Christian because Paul taught false doctrines. There is no rapture because Jesus never mentioned a rapture. And we are not saved entirely by faith and grace because the Revelation says in the final judgment everyone is judged according to their works.

Oh, there is indeed a "rapture." This will take place in the next resurrection. Believers will be changed in a twinkling of an eye. Whether it come by the mouth of his prophets or Christ Himself, it is the same.
And we are saved by and because of His grace. Nothing we can do outside of sincere repentance will save us. His grace is what reaches in and saves us from the penalty of the law. But once saved, we are called to keep his commandments and to do His work, and we are judged according to our efforts, so I agree here.
Matthew 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The parable of the sower alludes to this principle. According to His own words those who follow Him, and give up homes, etc in order to do so, shall receive an hundredfold. Some shall receive a kingdom, even as His Father has given Him.
Luke 22:29
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

 

[BigDaddy4]

I also am a non-Pauline Christian because Paul taught false doctrines. There is no rapture because Jesus never mentioned a rapture. And we are not saved entirely by faith and grace because the Revelation says in the final judgment everyone is judged according to their works.

You may want to re-read Matthew 24 in it's entirety. That was Jesus speaking.

Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

 

[interpreter]

Oh, there is indeed a "rapture." This will take place in the next resurrection. Believers will be changed in a twinkling of an eye. Whether it come by the mouth of his prophets or Christ Himself, it is the same.
And we are saved by and because of His grace. Nothing we can do outside of sincere repentance will save us. His grace is what reaches in and saves us from the penalty of the law. But once saved, we are called to keep his commandments and to do His work, and we are judged according to our efforts, so I agree here.
Matthew 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The parable of the sower alludes to this principle. According to His own words those who follow Him, and give up homes, etc in order to do so, shall receive an hundredfold. Some shall receive a kingdom, even as His Father has given Him.
Luke 22:29
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

You have failed to show one example of Jesus mentioning a rapture.
The second coming was in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. Sorry, there was no rapture. Instead, Constantine sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together, to Nicea.

 

[interpreter]

You may want to re-read Matthew 24 in it's entirety. That was Jesus speaking.

As in the days of Noah and Lot, the bad guys are taken, and the good guys left.

 

[BigDaddy4]

As in the days of Noah and Lot, the bad guys are taken, and the good guys left.

Incorrect. You have it backwards. Re-read verse 31.

 

[Der Alte]

You have failed to show one example of Jesus mentioning a rapture.
The second coming was in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. Sorry, there was no rapture. Instead, Constantine sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together, to Nicea.

Nonsense!

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;​

 

[ananda]

Incorrect. You have it backwards. Re-read verse 31.

IMO Mt 24:31 does not state that Messiah will rapture His church ... just that He will gather the faithful believers together. If there is a rapture, the unfaithful false believers will be taken (cf Mt 13:30)

 

[Anto9us]

didn't some disciples ask "Where?" as in "Taken where?"

then it was said those TAKEN would be taken to the place where the vultures were gathered together?

That instance was not a "Good TAKEN" - that was a good "LEFT" - twarn't tawkin bout no Rapture -- but a TAKING to whar vultures are waitin...

There are many PreTrib believers who see Taken/Left in this manner -- I always did - when I was a PreTrib believer - many pretribbers flip-flopped the usual interpretation of TAKEN/LEFT

because "place where vultures are gathered don't sound too exalted..."

Look at the ORDER of dealing with wheat and tares in some parables -- FIRST go gather the wicked -- THEN gather the GOOD Into my barn

Its not always "gather the good first -- then go gather the wicked" -- sometimes ya gotta flip that puppy over and look at it upside down

You wanna be TAKEN in the Rapture (assuming there is one,) if not Jim , as usual, you or any member of your IM force may be disavowed

but you do NOT wanna be TAKEN to where the vultures are gathered together

that TAKEN/LEFT stuff is something PreTribbers USED when they SHOULDNT HAVE!

 

[drstevej]

"My name is Pauline. Some day I hope to be Auntie Pauline!"

 

[apache1]

Hi, this is Zephaniah from TruthSeekers Forum.
I live as a non-trinitarian non-Pauline Messianic believer..
I humbly believe that Paul of Tarsus is a fraud, as opposed to a true apostle. Paul never quoted Yeshua even once and have a lot of paganizing in his preachings. I do not even know whether he actually saw Yeshua on his road to Damascus(i believe that he has seen a vision. But is it actually from Yeshua??Or from Satan? because this involves 1. private sighting of Yeshua and 2. the stuff who calles himself Yeshua says involves a pagan quote, which can never be found in the Gospels(so it is certain that true Yeshua does not use pagan quotes.)) he was against the Torah while Yeshua said otherwise(Mat 5:17-19, Luke). Yeshua never did anything against Torah while Paul promoted lawlessness.

Shalom!

What is an "Aspie", and is Yeshua simply another spelling for Jesus?

 

[Joseph474]

What is an "Aspie", and is Yeshua simply another spelling for Jesus?

An Aspie is a person with Aspergers Syndrome.
No. Jesus is not the true name of the Messiah , but a hellenized incorrect transliteration. I humbly only use the Hebrew name Yeshua. I humbly believe that Hebrew variants of this name is at least generally valid while the Greek name is un-Christian.

I humbly do not think that any person, let alone the Messiah should be called a pagan-themed suffix -s in Greek.

Are you guys willing to accept a pagan-themed name? At least I will not since I have my Messianic faith.

 

[drstevej]

Messiah is not the OT name, you have Anglicized it.
FTR: the model of עֲנָוָֽה is Jesus.