Nobody would be safe on the streets

[Jonathan Walkerin]

I'm seeing it happen and the ones that have the power to stop it seem to enjoy the summer of love. Myself I would have shut down the bad behavior not condone it. From what I'm hearing most people think it's out of hand.

Some rioting, looting, bad behaviour.....that is hardly "Burning America Down"

Of course it can be scary if you are near the hot spots but most people are unaffected and safe. People let out some steam, officials clean up the damage, some minor legislative changes and we are back near normal.

You make it sound like US is dropping to hell when cheesecake factory gets looted.

As for what you would have done if you had the power....it is easy to be a forum warrior for law and order.

Bit different when it comes to making a decision for law enforcement or national guard to start firing rubber - or real - bullets.

 

[whatbogsends]

It's hard to do anything when half of the government is fighting against you. Regardless of the position he takes the dems are against it. Even the old Republicans don't want any change.

Obama had every bit as much opposition to him from Republicans as Trump did with Democrats. The difference being, Obama acted within the normal scope of Presidential powers, and Trump abusing powers repeatedly and more aggressively each time he got away with something previously.

I've seen him sit down with Nancy and Chuck several times.

If "sitting down with" is evidence of willingness to compromise, then Nancy and Chuck have shown the willingness to compromise as well.

 

[lasthero]

Accept Biden stated months ago that he was against defunding the police and he even said that he didn't think it would be safe for mental health workers to go to police calls using his own daughter as an example because she is a mental health worker and wouldn't be able to handle a violent person without help. He actually had a fairly long discussion about this in an interview. I haven't heard anything about him changing his mind about that.

Biden’s actual stance doesn’t matter. They need him to be for defunding the police to contrast against Trump, so they’ll just keep saying he is.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Typically when one quotes a post, they are doing so to reply to it in some coherent way.

Would it be coherent enough to suggest one not complain too much about coherency while defending Biden?

Kinda leaves one wide open.

 

[com7fy8]

“Who will be there to answer the call when your children aren’t safe?” the narrator asks.
“Joe Biden is too weak to stand up the extremists in his party and is aiding and abetting their radical undermining of law and order in cities across American,” said Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh.

It has been reported that there are extreme leftists operating in the Democratic Party, because they full well know they would not have a chance as an independent party. But . . . now . . . there are enough of them so if they were to leave, the Democrats would easily lose to Donald.

So, they can hold the Democratic chances hostage, in order to get their demands met. This is the idea that has been said . . . by somebody, I do not remember who . . . maybe on TV.

But I can see how this could be a strategy. It seems more well-known how communists can try to take down a government by force so they can take over. So, if leftists are like this, they could work to produce a weak government, taking advantage of anyone who gives in to their hostage strategy.

But I understand how Democrats might argue that communists could destroy the government by helping to keep Donald in.

Biden is a socialist and leaning more and more left everyday.

Actually those controlling his puppet strings are pulling him in that direction.

For a while, I was thinking Joe seemed fairly calm and collected so a number of Republicans could feel ok with defecting to him. But now I realize how he could be the front person of handlers . . . for all I know.

He's only looking more left because your still spinning to the right!

Things can be relative. After having my hand in the freezing air of a cold evening, the lake water below can feel warm.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You'd think an incumbent would have actual accomplishments to run on rather than being forced to resort to "well, at least my second term would be somewhat better than total anarchy and lawlessness".

I figure I almost have to be misunderstanding your post, so I should ask. Are you claiming that the lawlessness and anarchy is Trumps fault when in reality he did all ha could to send in troops to stop the madness, but was refused?

 

[KCfromNC]

Would it be coherent enough to suggest one not complain too much about coherency while defending Biden?

Nope, makes zero sense.

 

[KCfromNC]

Biden’s actual stance doesn’t matter. They need him to be for defunding the police to contrast against Trump, so they’ll just keep saying he is.

Yep, pretty much : Trump Caught Lying About Biden’s Police Stance in Fox News Interview Debacle

 

[KCfromNC]

I figure I almost have to be misunderstanding your post, so I should ask. Are you claiming that the lawlessness and anarchy is Trumps fault when in reality he did all ha could to send in troops to stop the madness, but was refused?

Nope, never said anything like that.

Here, let me break it down:

There's an ad for Donald which claims that a vote for Biden is a vote for defunding the police, which will lead to total anarchy.
This gives the appearance that Donald doesn't have any actual accomplishments to run on, which gives the message that we should ignore his incompetence in the first term, at least his second will be better than total lawlessness and chaos.
Seems like an incumbent worth re-electing would have something slightly more positive to say about his first term accomplishments.

 

[Monksailor]

Is that why he had 6 bankruptcies? And refuses to pay for construction projects?

HIGH STAKES REQUIRES HIGH, CALCULATED RISK. HE SHOWED PROWESS AND MANY ADMIRABLE TRAITS IN HIS RECOVERY FROM ALL OF THOSE. THE FACT IS THAT HE HAD STABILIZED AND RECOVERED TO BE EVEN BETTER; A GREAT FEAT AND PROOF OF HIS ABILITIES. i WOULD NOT PAY FOR UNACCEPTABLE CONSTRUCTION EITHER.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

HIGH STAKES REQUIRES HIGH, CALCULATED RISK. HE SHOWED PROWESS AND MANY ADMIRABLE TRAITS IN HIS RECOVERY FROM ALL OF THOSE. THE FACT IS THAT HE HAD STABILIZED AND RECOVERED TO BE EVEN BETTER; A GREAT FEAT AND PROOF OF HIS ABILITIES. i WOULD NOT PAY FOR UNACCEPTABLE CONSTRUCTION EITHER.

Fun fact, typing things in all caps doesn't make them true.

 

[Palmfever]

Only people with no imagination deal with absolutes.

Gravity is an absolute I deal with every day. The quote is bs.

 

[Vylo]

Once again less than 10 questionable cases last year, does that justify the vast generalization of your statement?

just 10 that you happened to see. I've seen cops in action. I've seen them sell drugs, including to kids. I've seen them try to pin felony charges on 8 year olds. Not on the news, in front of my own eyes.

 

[disciple Clint]

Where do you guys keep coming up with that number? The only police shooting database I'm aware of is the one compiled by WaPo and they have the number of killings of unarmed civilians by police last year at 55.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

55 does not consider those who were justifiable shot, the less than 10 does. The study has been in other posts on this site and can be found if you care to look for it.

 

[disciple Clint]

just 10 that you happened to see. I've seen cops in action. I've seen them sell drugs, including to kids. I've seen them try to pin felony charges on 8 year olds. Not on the news, in front of my own eyes.

and of course you can provide evidence? oh never mind CNN and NYT will take your word for it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Nope, never said anything like that.

Here, let me break it down:

There's an ad for Donald which claims that a vote for Biden is a vote for defunding the police, which will lead to total anarchy.
This gives the appearance that Donald doesn't have any actual accomplishments to run on, which gives the message that we should ignore his incompetence in the first term, at least his second will be better than total lawlessness and chaos.
Seems like an incumbent worth re-electing would have something slightly more positive to say about his first term accomplishments.

What incompetence in the first term, the lawlessness and anarchy?

Sounds just like you are saying what I thought you said...that the lawlessness was his fault when it was/is anything but. See, all Trump can do is offer to help, he even threatened to send in the guard anyway, in order to wake people up. What do you suggest he do, stop trying to do the right thing and let states handle it on their own or barge in unwanted, and then get bashed for that?

IOW, he's done just fine in that respect. Even I'm a bit surprised, he always seems to do the right thing, the good thing....what's up with a president theses days acting in such a way?

 

[iluvatar5150]

55 does not consider those who were justifiable shot, the less than 10 does. The study has been in other posts on this site and can be found if you care to look for it.

Justified based on what? I’ve never seen this alleged study cited and wouldn’t even know what to look for since I don’t know what it’s named, who wrote it, or exactly what it claims.

 

[KCfromNC]

What incompetence in the first term, the lawlessness and anarchy?

No, things like being unable to get his own party to vote to repeal Obamacare, failing to get Mexico to pay for a wall, supporting Putin over our own intelligence services, getting taken advantage of by North Korea, getting caught trying to get another foreign power to interfere in our election and so on.

Sounds just like you are saying what I thought you said

Given your previous question didn't correctly repeat what I said, it doesn't sound likely to me.

 

[KCfromNC]

Justified based on what? I’ve never seen this alleged study cited and wouldn’t even know what to look for since I don’t know what it’s named, who wrote it, or exactly what it claims.

Do you want links to Federalist articles? Because this is how you get links to Federalist articles.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Gravity is an absolute I deal with every day.

Gravity is what we call a fact.

'Make America great or Burn it all down' is not a fact. It is a black or white fallacy.