Nobody would be safe on the streets

[KCfromNC]

Law and Order or it will be dangerous for you on the streets.

Dog whistle and base fear all in one. Trump is out doing the GOP in their game.

Did it mention thug culture or rap music? If not, the producers missed an obvious opportunity.

 

[KCfromNC]

It’s like they don’t even realize all this is already happening under Trump’s watch. What exactly has he done about anything relating to the violence in the streets?

Yep, the fatal flaw of most of the "don't vote for Biden because..." ads. They don't work when the incumbent is demonstrably worse on that particular issue. And given Donald's failed first term, odds are that any issue that voters care about is one of those particular issues.

 

[KCfromNC]

PRESIDENT Trump is the best choice we have in the coming election, by a land slide. Any logical deduction from examining the TRUTH and not hype or jive will arrive at that conclusion.

I mean, maybe. We still have to WIN against the Spanish flu. That one caused 50 million deaths. We're not even close to those numbers yet. But if we stay the course with Donald's policies, we have a decent chance to catch up.

 

[essentialsaltes]

There must be something that draws you to a Christian site.

It's important to understand and humanize people who think differently from me. It's really encouraging to see that not all Christians believe a race war is an inevitable and imminent prelude to the end of the world.

 

[KCfromNC]

What a PRIME example of the left's blindsightedness and willful ignorance.

He has PROVED himself BEFORE his election to be one of the world's best examples of an excellent, effective leader.

It is debatable that the skills needed to bankrupt a casino or steak business were really needed in the executive branch. So while Donald may have been excellent at those things, it sure didn't translate into his current job.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Maybe and it's a big maybe that he reads the Bible and understands that ethnos will rise against ethnos one day. If God says it will happen who's to stop it? These things must happen.

Interesting philosophy of leadership you have there.

“This book says stuff will happen so I’m just going to let it happen.”

It’s no wonder we’re in the mess we’re in.

Not just let it happen - encourage it to happen.

 

[KCfromNC]

Not just let it happen - encourage it to happen.

Some say that when you're famous they let you do it.

 

[KCfromNC]

Who said Trump doesn't have accomplishments?

If he did, why not run on those instead of making up nonsense about something his opponent never said?

 

[Kenny'sID]

The ad is perfect.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

There must be something that draws you to a Christian site. Hopefully some of these discussions rub off on you.

I’ve been here a while now. Since 2012. Conversations around religion are what originally attracted me here but they’ve since stopped interesting me because at some point I realized the arguments, both for and against haven’t changed in centuries. I mostly have stuck around because I’ve grown to really like the community here and a lot of news and current events surrounding politics gets shared on here and it gives me at least some perspective of other points of view and a platform to discuss things that’s much more moderated and controlled than any social media site where similar topics are brought up.

I try to take both the good and bad from all my interactions on here.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

The ad is perfect.

Of course it is. It convinces everyone that was already going to vote for him and does nothing for no one who wasn’t already a supporter. This is just pandering to the base.

 

[Hank77]

Just being "mental health workers" wouldn't do it. They would have to be specially trained semi-cops prepared to deal with potentially violent situations. Same with social workers. Some random 25 year old kid with an MSW doesn't have the special skills necessary.

Agree.
Biden reminded the interviewer that restraints are used with violent patients. He said that there would have to be a couple of strong men to go with the mental health worker in some cases.

 

[wing2000]

As for a possible campaign strategy being stronger against anarchy and lawlessness....well why couldn't it be the MAJOR thing on people's minds in the time up ahead.

Sure, it's a great argument for Joe Biden to restore the rule of law to the Executive branch. Anarchy and lawlessness describes the West Wing perfectly.

 

[jgarden]

from the article. President Trump’s re-election campaign launched a new television ad Wednesday titled “You won’t be safe in Joe Biden’s America,” accusing the presumptive Democratic nominee and his allies of undermining law enforcement.
The spot, which campaign officials said is being rolled into its existing ad buy, is airing nationally and in key battleground states.
The ad begins by showing an empty police department with ringing phones going unanswered.
“The radical left-wing mob’s agenda: Take over U.S. cities, defund the police, pressure more towns to follow,” a narrator intones. “And Joe Biden stands with them.”
The ad asserts that Mr. Biden and Democrats support “cutting police funding … eliminating cash bail … letting criminals back on the street,” and warns there will be more “innocent children fatally shot.” “Who will be there to answer the call when your children aren’t safe?” the narrator asks.
“Joe Biden is too weak to stand up the extremists in his party and is aiding and abetting their radical undermining of law and order in cities across American,” said Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh.
Nobody would be safe on the streets of ‘Biden’s America,’ new Trump campaign ad warns

Nobody would be safe on the streets
A campaign by an incumbent predicated on "FEAR" is tantamount to an admission by this President that he has no positive accomplishments to show the American public after 4 years!

 

[Bobber]

Sure, it's a great argument for Joe Biden to restore the rule of law to the Executive branch. Anarchy and lawlessness describes the West Wing perfectly.

Well OK that's your spin. But let's not say having law and order can't be a major Number 1 issue in a campaign. And I think the argument is far greater on Trump's side.....does an ordinary citizen even feel peace that a cop with come to their door if their in desperate need? And I see the Police Unions have now backed Trump. I have to believe the public will ultimately side in with what the Police feel provides the best security for all involved.

 

[wing2000]

Well OK that's your spin. But let's not say having law and order can't be a major Number 1 issue in a campaign. And I think the argument is far greater on Trump's side.....does an ordinary citizen even feel peace that a cop with come to their door if their in desperate need? And I see the Police Unions have now backed Trump. I have to believe the public will ultimately side in with what the Police feel provides the best security for all involved.

....not having law and order?

Did Biden ever assert that? Or is this another stawman?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Of course it is. It convinces everyone that was already going to vote for him and does nothing for no one who wasn’t already a supporter. This is just pandering to the base.

I honestly don't think you can be certain the ad won't make some think, and just maybe a few will come to their senses.

Do you think the police should be de-funded or that we should try to avoid that, as the ad attempts to do?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I honestly don't think you can be certain the ad won't make some think, and just maybe a few will come to their senses.

Do you think the police should be de-funded or that we should try to avoid that, as the ad attempts to do?

I’m in favor of police reforms. I don’t think defunding the police is necessarily the right approach, at the very least it’s bad messaging, but if we could focus some of the money spent on policing towards community oriented programs it could be better for everyone all around. It might help ease tensions while also not totally crippling police departments who still have a job to do. I don’t think this needs to be a partisan issue where Democrats take one side and Republicans take the other and we never meet in the middle.

As for the ad? It’s just a campaign ad. They don’t really work on anyone not already somewhat committed to the candidate and in this highly polarized election, no ad is going to change anybody’s mind on where they stand with regards to the president. People made up their minds on this guy a long time ago.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I don’t think this needs to be a partisan issue where Democrats take one side and Republicans take the other and we never meet in the middle.

Agree, but unfortunately...

As for the ad? It’s just a campaign ad.

I didn't see it as just a campaign add, but at least somewhat, simply good overall sense to make people think, people that can, for the moment get over the partisan issue you mention.

 

[FireDragon76]

You'd think an incumbent would have actual accomplishments to run on rather than being forced to resort to "well, at least my second term would be somewhat better than total anarchy and lawlessness".

Not to mention the the ad is not telling the truth about Biden's actual stance, but when has that stopped Donald's team before?

Biden's actual stance is fairly conservative and he's against defunding police. Biden is basically a conservative Democrat and always has been.

Just being "mental health workers" wouldn't do it. They would have to be specially trained semi-cops prepared to deal with potentially violent situations. Same with social workers. Some random 25 year old kid with an MSW doesn't have the special skills necessary.

The police in Seattle already do that sort of thing. They try to get heroin and opioid addicts in touch with services that can help them, instead of focusing on arrests, but they are still capable of using force against people that are significant dangers to the public and who are destroying or stealing property.

 

[disciple Clint]

Nobody's safe on the streets of Trump's America, either, and since you can't just throw the police at the Coronavirus, it doesn't really matter right now if Trump is for or against defunding the police (though that certainly does matter when you're trying to have a peaceful protest and he uses those police to beat you and clear you out of the area so that he can have a path to his next photo op in front of a church while holding a book he's clearly never read, cos that sort of thing plays well with his Evangelical base).

He should consider that for the one out of ten protests that is actually something close to being peaceful.