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While the whole experience of the Apostles with Jesus out on that lake was extraordinary, Jesus was a pretty extraordinary guy. Something kind of similar happened to Phillip the Evangelist, who was an important part of the message being carried to the Samaritans and Gentiles:

He was one of the Seven chosen to care for the poor of the Christian community in Jerusalem (Acts 6). He preached and reportedly performed miracles in Samaria, and met and baptized an Ethiopian man, a eunuch, in Gaza, traditionally marking the start of the Ethiopian Church (Acts 8). Later, Philip lived in Caesarea Maritima with his four daughters who foretold, where he was visited by Paul the Apostle (Acts 21). (Philip the Evangelist Wikipedia)​

I only bring it up because he was essentially teleported after the baptism of the Ethiopian eunuch.

When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. (Acts 8:39)
I'm not quite sure how this works, if it's on the wings of angels are just God doing what only God can do. But this kind of manifestation was not unique to Christ, Phillip experienced something similar.

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I'm not sure how this happens as well. Although there has been exceptionally few occassions this happened to other people in more recent times.

I think one happened in the 19th century. Also happened on the water. Sailors saw someone they knew seem hovering over the ocean but moving at incredible speed. This person they knew isn't dead, very much alive. They found him at his destination, quite alive but very confused. Arriving many days ahead but having no recollection of what happened. I think he got a ride back home but normally, via ship.

I don't think these sailors knew of the John 6 teleportation or incredible speed miracle. But their account matches some of the events in John 6 - Jesus walking on the water miles away from land, catching up to the boat, and finally, going about at incredible speed.

One could ask, how did Jesus end up near the boat of the disciples which is miles into the trip - He had to be moving exceptionally fast as well before the disciples saw Him.
 
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I'm not sure how this happens as well. Although there has been exceptionally few occassions this happened to other people in more recent times.

I think one happened in the 19th century. Also happened on the water. Sailors saw someone they knew seem hovering over the ocean but moving at incredible speed. This person they knew isn't dead, very much alive. They found him at his destination, quite alive but very confused. Arriving many days ahead but having no recollection of what happened. I think he got a ride back home but normally, via ship.

I don't think these sailors knew of the John 6 teleportation or incredible speed miracle. But their account matches some of the events in John 6 - Jesus walking on the water miles away from land, catching up to the boat, and finally, going about at incredible speed.

One could ask, how did Jesus end up near the boat of the disciples which is miles into the trip - He had to be moving exceptionally fast as well before the disciples saw Him.
I don't know about those old sea stories but the miracle of the storm was something God did. One time Jesus is sleeping through a storm, woke up and rebuked the storm, the response was who is this guy that tells the weather was to do. This particular storm was after the feeding of the 5000, Jesus pretty much forced them into the boat. They were out there because Jesus told them to be, and meets them when all seems lost. The miracle might not even be the important thing.
 
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I don't know about those old sea stories but the miracle of the storm was something God did. One time Jesus is sleeping through a storm, woke up and rebuked the storm, the response was who is this guy that tells the weather was to do. This particular storm was after the feeding of the 5000, Jesus pretty much forced them into the boat. They were out there because Jesus told them to be, and meets them when all seems lost. The miracle might not even be the important thing.

I've also mentioned earlier what might be of greater concern is that most Christians did not notice this miracle in the Bible.

It makes you wonder what else we've missed which could further lead to greater issues like misinterpretations, etc. Yep, the big number of denominations where each don't agree on a lot of teachings in the Bible.
 
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Jesus teleported a boatload of disciples for a few miles across a lake. :)

John 6:16-21
16 When evening came, his disciples went down to the lake, 17 where they got into a boat and set off across the lake for Capernaum. By now it was dark, and Jesus had not yet joined them. 18 A strong wind was blowing and the waters grew rough. 19 When they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus approaching the boat, walking on the water; and they were frightened. 20 But he said to them, “It is I; don’t be afraid.” 21 Then they were willing to take him into the boat, and immediately the boat reached the shore where they were heading

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I knew about that.

Jesus' power annihilates distances. He did a miracle, for he has power over all creatures, over the sea as well as over time and distance. He may abrogate nature's laws. From the mountain peak to the sea's midst and then to the lake's western shore in moments. That's his power's evidence.

This fact redounds to believers' comfort at all times. Christians should know that their life's in Christ's hands. Jesus' care will provide for, defend, guard and protect them.
 
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I've also mentioned earlier what might be of greater concern is that most Christians did not notice this miracle in the Bible.

It makes you wonder what else we've missed which could further lead to greater issues like misinterpretations, etc. Yep, the big number of denominations where each don't agree on a lot of teachings in the Bible.
I don't know what you mean, I've heard many a lesson on the passage. Jesus here is literally getting away from the crowds. This starts about half way through his ministry and he starts spending more time with his disciples.
 
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What really exceeds the magnitude of this miracle is that only very few Christians are aware of this miracle! :eek:
I don't know where you got that idea.

I've known it for decades.
 
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What really exceeds the magnitude of this miracle is that only very few Christians are aware of this miracle! :eek:
or distorted time, pretty awesome anyway.
 
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or distorted time, pretty awesome anyway.

Yes, that might also explain how Jesus was able to walk on water that instant! Distort time, you will also distort mass and distance too! - Einstein's General relativity!

In that case, the boat warped through space, lol! It would have made a brilliant flash of light as the effect you see in Star Trek ships when you slow down from warp speed - from synchotron or Cherenkov radiation, anyway...
 
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Jesus teleported a boatload of disciples for a few miles across a lake. :)

John 6:16-21
16 When evening came, his disciples went down to the lake, 17 where they got into a boat and set off across the lake for Capernaum. By now it was dark, and Jesus had not yet joined them. 18 A strong wind was blowing and the waters grew rough. 19 When they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus approaching the boat, walking on the water; and they were frightened. 20 But he said to them, “It is I; don’t be afraid.” 21 Then they were willing to take him into the boat, and immediately the boat reached the shore where they were heading

:eek: :eek: :eek:

My pastor says that's a misreading of the literary convention. "Immediately" means more like "presently" or "soon".
 
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My pastor says that's a misreading of the literary convention. "Immediately" means more like "presently" or "soon".

According to Strongs Concordance anyway, it is much more likely to be "immediately"

Yes indeed, "soon" and "shortly" came out as one of the usage of the word but a lot less likely.

Note that other supernatural manifestations are present at the same time like Jesus walking on the water. Why not intantaneous transportation?

Strong's Greek: 2112. εὐθέως (eutheós) -- at once, directly
John 6:21 Greek Text Analysis

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According to Strongs Concordance anyway, it is much more likely to be "immediately"

Yes indeed, "soon" and "shortly" came out as one of the usage of the word but a lot less likely.

Note that other supernatural manifestations are present at the same time like Jesus walking on the water. Why not intantaneous transportation?

Strong's Greek: 2112. εὐθέως (eutheós) -- at once, directly
John 6:21 Greek Text Analysis

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I think that's unlikely because John is a Gospel of signs and there is typically only one sign given per scene.
 
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I think that's unlikely because John is a Gospel of signs and there is typically only one sign given per scene.

Is there a rule book somewhere that Jesus can only do one sign per scene?
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Is there a rule book somewhere that Jesus can only do one sign per scene?
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No, but it wouldn't fit the literary structure to do so.
 
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Good for you!

In all the churches I've been to, mostly protestant denominations, nobody knows it.
Ok, let's say that you are one of the few that "know" this. How does your knowledge of this help you? How does the lack of this "knowledge" hinder others?
 
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I think that's unlikely because John is a Gospel of signs and there is typically only one sign given per scene.

Good point, although one could question whether the instant transportation (if that's what it was) counts as a "sign" in itself or is part and parcel of the walking-on-water sign. Also, twice in John, Jesus disappears from sight somehow as his opponents are about to stone him (8:59 and 10:39) — we're not told exactly what happened, but the implication both times seems to be that he escaped by divine power. He does something similar in Luke 4:28-30 as the crowd tries to throw him off a cliff and he walks straight through the midst of them untouched. To me, that suggests that he could indeed defy laws of time and space and physics, and that that's what happened when he joined the disciples in the boat. None of us can actually prove anything either way, of course, but it's fun to wonder. :)
 
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Good point, although one could question whether the instant transportation (if that's what it was) counts as a "sign" in itself or is part and parcel of the walking-on-water sign. Also, twice in John, Jesus disappears from sight somehow as his opponents are about to stone him (8:59 and 10:39) — we're not told exactly what happened, but the implication both times seems to be that he escaped by divine power. He does something similar in Luke 4:28-30 as the crowd tries to throw him off a cliff and he walks straight through the midst of them untouched. To me, that suggests that he could indeed defy laws of time and space and physics, and that that's what happened when he joined the disciples in the boat. None of us can actually prove anything either way, of course, but it's fun to wonder. :)

I don't think Jesus necessarily had to teleport anywhere. In fact I think that idea is something that only happens after the resurrection. During his life, he generally submits to ordinary human limitations, unless there is some other reason to not do so.
 
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I don't think Jesus necessarily had to teleport anywhere. In fact I think that idea is something that only happens after the resurrection. During life, he generally submits to human limitations, unless there is some other reason to not do so.

Hmm, does he really? Walking on water, calming the storm, feeding the (more than) 5,000 and 4,000 healing "every kind of sickness and every kind of disease", raising the dead, all well before his own resurrection... with all that, I shouldn't have thought teleporting would be beyond him. ;) But again, we can't prove anything there.
 
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Hmm, does he really? Walking on water, calming the storm, feeding the (more than) 5,000 and 4,000 healing "every kind of sickness and every kind of disease", raising the dead, all well before his own resurrection... with all that, I shouldn't have thought teleporting would be beyond him. ;) But again, we can't prove anything there.

He did those all as signs. Yes, he could have teleported anywhere he wanted to, just like he could have gotten down off the Cross, but he chose not to, because it would not have been dignified according to the divine plan. Likewise, Jesus could have hatched from an egg, but again, it wouldn't be fitting. So I don't think having Jesus beaming around everywhere is a realistic idea, either. God's plan in the incarnation was to live as an ordinary human being doing his Father's work, not to live as Superman. After all, there were times when Jesus did not perform miracles.
 
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