Noahidism

[gord44]

Hello!

A question for our Jewish friends here. What is Noahidism all about? Is it kinda like Judaism for non-Jews? Sounds interdasting.

Thanks for any info or comments!

 

[LoAmmi]

Hello!

A question for our Jewish friends here. What is Noahidism all about? Is it kinda like Judaism for non-Jews? Sounds interdasting.

Thanks for any info or comments!

The belief is that Noah was given seven laws for all mankind to follow. Well, technically he was given one as Adam had received the other six, but I'm not going to nitpick here.

The seven are:
The prohibition of Idolatry.
The prohibition of Murder.
The prohibition of Theft.
The prohibition of Sexual immorality.
The prohibition of Blasphemy.
The prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive.
The requirement of maintaining courts to provide legal recourse.

Non-Jews are only required to keep these seven laws unlike Jews who are required to keep all 613 commandments of the Torah.

 

[gord44]

Interesting. I found a few books on Kindle about it for cheap. I will read more about it.

Thanks!

 

[gord44]

read up on it. Seems a good deal for non-Jews. Follow the laws, repent of your transgressions and slide on in to the World to Come. The laws seem straightforward and almost common sense. Idol worship and blasphemy are obviously important to avoid in regards to honoring HaShem. Prohibition and avoidance of murder, theft and sexual immorality are common sense. It's also nice that HaShem doesn't want animals to suffer. The law one seems difficult on the surface, but it more almost symbolic since there is no Torah based governments in the world that can legally practice Noahide Law, and according to some stuff I read, there won't be until the Messianic age. So a Capital offense should be seen as severe in the eyes of HaShem and not literally a Capital offense in our society today.

 

[smaneck]

I might add that at the Church Council of Jerusalem which met to resolve the differences between Paul and the Apostles, James stated that gentile Christians need not be circumcised but should follow a list of rules all of which are taken from the Noachide Code.

The belief is that Noah was given seven laws for all mankind to follow. Well, technically he was given one as Adam had received the other six, but I'm not going to nitpick here.

The seven are:
The prohibition of Idolatry.
The prohibition of Murder.
The prohibition of Theft.
The prohibition of Sexual immorality.
The prohibition of Blasphemy.
The prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive.
The requirement of maintaining courts to provide legal recourse.

Non-Jews are only required to keep these seven laws unlike Jews who are required to keep all 613 commandments of the Torah.

 

[Zoness]

Interesting, I've never heard of this before.

 

[sunrise0]

If there is one God only, how can there be differences in laws whcih are supposed to be from Him ?

 

[LoAmmi]

If there is one God only, how can there be differences in laws whcih are supposed to be from Him ?

Because specific people agreed to a specific Covenant with Him while other people didn't agree to the same Covenant. It has nothing to do with there being multiple gods.

I'm sorry if you can't wrap your mind around it. I can't make it any more simple.

 

[sunrise0]

Because specific people agreed to a specific Covenant with Him while other people didn't agree to the same Covenant. It has nothing to do with there being multiple gods.

in other words: some of the people whom He created and ordered to follow something(covenants) He wanted disobeyed Him, therfore He made other Covenants!
how many constitutions are there in one country?
how many laws on the same matter are different in any country
why is there Hell-Fire and Paradise?

I'm sorry if you can't wrap your mind around it. I can't make it any more simple.

 

[LoAmmi]

in other words: some of the people whom He created and ordered to follow something(covenants) He wanted disobeyed Him, therfore He made other Covenants!

He is free to make as many Covenants as He desires. But he specifically said that He would not break His one with us.

how many constitutions are there in one country?

How many contracts can one business make with different parties?

how many laws on the same matter are different in any country

Israel is a nation of people. It is a Covenant with the nation.

why is there Hell-Fire and Paradise?

There isn't Hell-Fire. We were never told of its existence and if it were so important we would have been.

 

[sunrise0]

(his people) is mentioned tens of times in the Holy Quran
most of them are used when reffering to the people of the Prophets
unlike the people of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) whom was sent to all mankind:

34:28. And We have not sent you (O Muhammad ) except as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind, but most of men know not.

21:107. And We have sent you (O Muhammad ) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

 

[sunrise0]

He is free to make as many Covenants as He desires. But he specifically said that He would not break His one with us. How many contracts can one business make with different parties?

Israel is a nation of people. It is a Covenant with the nation.

you are talking about God and not a playful being who deceives people whom He created by assigning different and contradictory religions

a contractor uses the same basic material but the design of the building is decided by its owners.

There isn't Hell-Fire. We were never told of its existence and if it were so important we would have been.

I know this, I also did not find anything about Paradise in the OT. so what happens after people die? that's it? why are we then here?

 

[sunrise0]

I add:

does God aprove of trinity, the claim that He had a son? the son is also God?

does He aprove of worshiping cows,other people.......etc?

are these Covenants from Him?

 

[LoAmmi]

you are talking about God and not a playful being who deceives people whom He created by assigning different and contradictory religions

a contractor uses the same basic material but the design of the building is decided by its owners.

Personally, I don't believe Islam or Christianity are covenants but offshoots from my faith that have missed the mark. From my point of view, the Noahide laws are what you are supposed to follow and we're the custodians of the Torah.

I know this, I also did not find anything about Paradise in the OT. so what happens after people die? that's it? why are we then here?

The evidence that there is life after death is in the Tanakh.

Do you only derive meaning in your life because you will go to Paradise? That's very sad.

 

[sunrise0]

Personally, I don't believe Islam or Christianity are covenants but offshoots from my faith that have missed the mark. From my point of view, the Noahide laws are what you are supposed to follow and we're the custodians of the Torah.

I can not see how or why you connect Islam with Christianity when there are no similarities between them at all
as for the other point: where in the OT does it say it was revealed by God to all nations?
if it is from God, how do you explain the countless mistakes in it, the first page as an example?

no Muslim nor Prophet Muhammad, nor the Holy Quran says that islam is a new religion, or deny any Prophet or Book from God :

2:41. And believe in what I have sent down (this Qur'an), confirming that which is with you, [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], and be not the first to disbelieve therein, and buy not with My Verses [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] a small price (i.e. getting a small gain by selling My Verses), and fear Me and Me Alone. (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. I, Page 253).

2:91. And when it is said to them (the Jews), "Believe in what Allah has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to them): "Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?"


2:136. Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."

The evidence that there is life after death is in the Tanakh.

what is the source of Tanakah?
what kind of lefe and where will it be?

Do you only derive meaning in your life because you will go to Paradise? That's very sad.

I do not derive anything. I follow what my Creator told me through His Book and Prophet.

I posted a thread about (the Fall) in both the OT and the Holy Quran. the answer is there in detail.

 

[LoAmmi]

I can not see how or why you connect Islam with Christianity when there are no similarities between them at all
as for the other point: where in the OT does it say it was revealed by God to all nations?
if it is from God, how do you explain the countless mistakes in it, the first page as an example?

I don't discuss scripture itself with people who are so uninterested in what it says and how it has been interpreted throughout history but only want to tear it down.

Our Tanakh basically says that when Messiah comes, you'll see we were right.

no Muslim nor Prophet Muhammad, nor the Holy Quran says that islam is a new religion, or deny any Prophet or Book from God :

Whatever. I don't like you enough to go into any sort of in depth conversation.

 

[gord44]

interestingly enough, i have the Tanakh on my Kindle so I read it from the point of view that the Hebrew Bible is all there is (no NT). It made much more sense. A favorite book of mine was Proverbs, and it really opened up reading it from this point of view.

 

[smaneck]

If there is one God only, how can there be differences in laws whcih are supposed to be from Him ?

How can there not be? If you go to skilled physician will he prescribe the same remedy for strep throat as he does for a broken arm?

Did not Allah first decree that Jerusalem be the qiblih then change it to Mecca?

Did not Jesus drink wine, but Muhammad forbid it?

Did not Jesus prohibit divorce while Moses and Muhammad permitted it?

Does not one religion prohibit beef, while the other one forbids pork?

"The Prophets of God should be regarded as physicians whose task is to foster the well-being of the world and its peoples, that, through the spirit of oneness, they may heal the sickness of a divided humanity. To none is given the right to question their words or disparage their conduct, for they are the only ones who can claim to have understood the patient and to have correctly diagnosed its ailments. No man, however acute his perception, can ever hope to reach the heights which the wisdom and understanding of the Divine Physician have attained. Little wonder, then, if the treatment prescribed by the physician in this day should not be found to be identical with that which he prescribed before. How could it be otherwise when the ills affecting the sufferer necessitate at every stage of his sickness a special remedy? In like manner, every time the Prophets of God have illumined the world with the resplendent radiance of the Day Star of Divine knowledge, they have invariably summoned its peoples to embrace the light of God through such means as best befitted the exigencies of the age in which they appeared. They were thus able to scatter the darkness of ignorance, and to shed upon the world the glory of their own knowledge. It is towards the inmost essence of these Prophets, therefore, that the eye of every man of discernment must be directed, inasmuch as their one and only purpose hath always been to guide the erring, and give peace to the afflicted…. These are not days of prosperity and triumph. The whole of mankind is in the grip of manifold ills. Strive, therefore, to save its life through the wholesome medicine which the almighty hand of the unerring Physician hath prepared."
Baha'u'llah

 

[sunrise0]

I don't discuss scripture itself with people who are so uninterested in what it says and how it has been interpreted throughout history but only want to tear it down.

can you tell us the proof that it is from God?

Our Tanakh basically says that when Messiah comes, you'll see we were right.

our Quran also says the messiah will come. He is Jesus, he as Moses and every true Prophet of God were Muslims; submitting to the One True God

Whatever. I don't like you enough to go into any sort of in depth conversation.

 

[ChavaK]

Hi gordRedeemed, there are Noahide communities online. We have a few people who atttend our congregation who are not Jewish and who could be classified as Noahides.
These are people who love Judaism and would convert in an instant but are not able to. They are involved in the congregation and community, but cannot become full members and therefore have a limited role. Other Noahides have no desire to convert but follow much of Judaism but not all of it, ie they observe the sabbath and the holy days, or keep kosher, but not in the manner that Jews do.