Noah - was he just surpressing his true self?

[radhead]

Such garbage. If this really were the word of a god, you would think that that god's followers would be more vigilant about translating it correctly. Yet they teach the story to children. I'm not buying it. The whole idea is nonsense.

 

[radhead]

The god depicted in these stories is powerful, angry, violent, judgmental, white, male. It's very clear who this god appeals to, and why these same people wish to recreate all men in their own image. It's much easier to try to change others when powerful people feel entitled to have things their way. They are unable of getting along with other types of people, so they create a god in their own image who demands everyone to be like him.

 

[GenemZ]

Such garbage. If this really were the word of a god, you would think that that god's followers would be more vigilant about translating it correctly. Yet they teach the story to children. I'm not buying it. The whole idea is nonsense.

Noah cursed Ham's line after "he saw what he had done." What remained after Ham had done something? Noah sobered up and saw something.

OK.... Sunday School teachings? Or?
The Bible is also for adults. Also mature adults.

The Bible is about REAL life and what happens to sinners.

 

[GenemZ]

The god depicted in these stories is powerful, angry, violent, judgmental, white, male.

But, only when he needed to be a powerful, angry, violent, judgmental, white, male.

I suppose you never did anything terribly wrong in your life?

But, others have. God must deal accordingly.

God is that way to protect those who wish and desire to do good.. To do good like those mentioned in the following passage. Its said by the same God whom you just vilified in ignorance.

The Lord appeared to us in the past, saying:

“I have loved you with an everlasting love;
I have drawn you with unfailing kindness." Jeremiah 31:3​

Ironically... God violently hates those who would want to bully you... to torment you.

 

[radhead]

Noah cursed Ham's line after "he saw what he had done." What remained after Ham had done something? Noah sobered up and saw something.

OK.... Sunday School teachings? Or?
The Bible is also for adults. Also mature adults.

The Bible is about REAL life and what happens to sinners.

What he "saw" was a covering. The blanket the two other sons covered him with. I see a lot more association to the covering that God had made for Adam and Eve in this story. This is just a continuation of that story. But I think that both stories represent the attack on the first temple.

 

[radhead]

You might not like my more symbolic interpretation, but it would link Ham to the serpent in the garden, since both of them were more interested in uncovering and showing a person's shame.

 

[GenemZ]

You might not like my more symbolic interpretation, but it would link Ham to the serpent in the garden, since both of them were more interested in uncovering and showing a person's shame.

Its not even symbolic. Its fantasy. Inane reasoning. Like pulling pink, sickly rabbits, out of your hat.

 

[radhead]

Its not even symbolic. Its fantasy. Inane reasoning. Like pulling pink, sickly rabbits, out of your hat.

Ezekiel 26

But I think you will find yourself feeling "sickly" from reading it, if you don't like my reasoning. Because it's no different.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I suppose you never did anything terribly wrong in your life?

I never did anything terribly wrong, no.

But, others have. God must deal accordingly.

So what "terribly wrong" thing did the babies and toddlers do that justifies the divine commandment to go and kill them all? And what about the virgin girls that were to be taken as "war booty" and enslaved? Or the cattle, which also had to be exterminated?

Ironically... God violently hates those who would want to bully you... to torment you.

yes, like the babies and toddlers of some particular ethnicity.

 

[GenemZ]

So what "terribly wrong" thing did the babies and toddlers do that justifies the divine commandment to go and kill them all? And what about the virgin girls that were to be taken as "war booty" and enslaved? Or the cattle, which also had to be exterminated?

What if they were saturated with incurable venereal diseases that only God knew about?

After all... these ancients pagans had sex with everything and anything... as their religions!

And, I do mean anything. Why do you think God had to warn His people not to do what the pagans around them did without any conscious?

Why do you think sex with animals had to be prohibited to Israel? It was all around them. With impunity. You would vomit if a time machine could transport you back to that place in time to see how pagans lived. Its one reason the Jews developed a strong disdain for the Goyim back then... Bit, not always. When Israel was seduced by paganism (like the USA was to some extent in the sixties)... God would judge severely His own people as shown in the OT Scriptures.

 

[GenemZ]

Such garbage. If this really were the word of a god, you would think that that god's followers would be more vigilant about translating it correctly. Yet they teach the story to children. I'm not buying it. The whole idea is nonsense.

Some are vigilant in translating. Its what got Martin Luther attacked by the Catholic church.

Teachings are there waiting to be found. The real problem? Too many believers are not vigilant in seeking out anything beyond a Sunday school type of emotional experience.

A prosperous, comfortable people, who desire to be pampered by life will run and hide from learning about the very things Jesus died on the Cross to save us from. They think God saved them because they are such lovely people.

The worst offenders are the blinded self righteous types that see others as being the sinners, not themselves. These "moralistic ones" were the very ones who opposed Jesus. Just like certain people do today with their naive self righteous way of thinking.

 

[radhead]

Martin Luther didn't really change anything for the better about the church. If anything the Protestants took all the worst aspects and only amplified them.

 

[GenemZ]

Martin Luther didn't really change anything for the better about the church. If anything the Protestants took all the worst aspects and only amplified them.

Some examples, please.

 

[radhead]

Some examples, please.

They believe that they must pay tithes and offerings to the church. The threat may not be so forceful, but the essence is the same. A "Christian" who doesn't tithe is not a true believer, right? Otherwise he would be giving cheerfully, wouldn't he.

Fishers of men-who-work-for-a-living, that is what the church has always been. Even the gospel writers could see through the nonsense.

 

[GenemZ]

They believe that they must pay tithes and offerings to the church. The threat may not be so forceful, but the essence is the same. A "Christian" who doesn't tithe is not a true believer, right? Otherwise he would be giving cheerfully, wouldn't he.

Fishers of men-who-work-for-a-living, that is what the church has always been. Even the gospel writers could see through the nonsense.

The Bible teaches we are to support those who study and teach us well.

Are you saying you think Martin Luther made that up? He never taught that you can buy your way to heaven like the RCC did with indulgences. He taught against it. I think you are confused terribly.

 

[GenemZ]

They believe that they must pay tithes and offerings to the church. The threat may not be so forceful, but the essence is the same. A "Christian" who doesn't tithe is not a true believer, right? Otherwise he would be giving cheerfully, wouldn't he.

Fishers of men-who-work-for-a-living, that is what the church has always been. Even the gospel writers could see through the nonsense.

In spite of what some churches teach today, tithing is not for the church. Tithes were the OT income tax to be paid into the federal theocracy of Israel. Offerings in contrast to tithes were what was above and beyond, and according to how one desires to give.

Offerings are for the church... to give according to how each person determines in his own heart. Our income tax now goes to the government you find your yourself living under. No more theocracy.

 

[radhead]

I don't think that is an accurate representation of Protestant Christianity.

 

[GenemZ]

I don't think that is an accurate representation of Protestant Christianity.

You really need to see more than you have.... Some do. Some won't.

 

[Uber Genius]

Just because your literalistic interpretation is the most popular doesn't make it right. Popularity doesn't mean that it is divine or holy. Have you ever heard that the road to destruction is a wide road?

I have made no such hermeneutical commitments. It is bad form to misrepresent someone's argument and then attack that misrepresentation of your own creation (logical extension fallacy/A.K.A "a strawman argument")

 

[GenemZ]

I have made no such hermeneutical commitments. It is bad form to misrepresent someone's argument and then attack that misrepresentation of your own creation (logical extension fallacy/A.K.A "a strawman argument")

He has been doing that terribly with the Bible. So, why not a mere human being?