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Featured Noah - was he just surpressing his true self?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by radhead, Feb 14, 2016.

  1. radhead

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    Noah was portrayed as the perfect obedient son. But after he got drunk he began to show his true self. The younger son was the only one who wanted to even see what he was like on the inside ("inside" the cave) that he kept hidden from others. Then he cursed and banished that son because he had dared trying to show his brothers that Noah had a side that was different than the whitewashed facaded he showed the world on the outside. All of that anger which had been bottled up inside.

    What do you think of the fact that Noah repressed his true feelings and that he was really a very angry person? Perhaps this was a portrayal of those who are obedient and religious in nature? Are they just repressing their true selves?
     
  2. Hammster

    Hammster Don't care much for fancy parties. Too rough. Staff Member Administrator Supporter

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    Where specifically does it say that Noah repressed his true feelings?
     
  3. radhead

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    He never revealed himself on the inside until he got drunk.
     
  4. LaSorcia

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    We hear lots of great stuff about Noah, and only one curse from him. I don't think that's enough evidence to say he was repressing his true self and that he was an outwardly obedient person who was seething with anger inside.

    Also, there are some other factors involved. It is often translated that his son "uncovered the nakedness of" Noah, not just that he saw him nude. This same phrasing is used numerous times in the law to mean sexually shaming someone, either by sleeping with their partner or at the wrong time, etc. If his son did something other than just seeing him nude, which I do think is implied, Noah had every right to be ticked off.

    Another point is that this is a literary plot device for a prophecy on why Shem (the Jews) will rule over Ham (the Caananites) later in the bible. By saying it's a plot device doesn't mean I think the story is only a myth.
     
  5. Hammster

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    So you don't have anything other than he was a sinner. Just like the rest. So your premise is false, unless you have something else.
     
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  7. radhead

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    Proof that Christians have to add to the words of the Bible to make it fit their doctrines.
     
  8. jason_delisle

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    Radhead, I really don't mean to sound harsh but have you ever read the bible before? This is an honest question because I feel like your information is so wrong I just can't help the thought that you get all your information about the bible from Hollywood or something. My recommendation to you is simple, for now on, before you make another thread on this forum, read the bible first.
     
  9. LaSorcia

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    That doesn't make sense. Every language and culture has idioms; I was just explaining this one.

    Yes, some ppl are guilty of seeing whatever they want to in a text, but that's not what happened here.
     
  10. Hammster

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    Wait, didn't you add to the bible to make your point in the OP?
     
  11. radhead

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    Typical fundamentalist. Insult anyone whom you don't agree with.
     
  12. LaSorcia

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    I wasn't going to mention that irony. ;)
     
  13. radhead

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    I read it straight from the text. You know that.
     
  14. radhead

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    We both read from the same text. The only difference is that the fundamentalist sees Noah as a hero.

    Jesus said basically that the truth is hidden in parables to those who refuse to believe the truth. So they just accept the parable as a literal story.
     
  15. Hammster

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    No. You made a claim that is not supported.
     
  16. Hammster

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    The text doesn't say anything about who and who isn't a hero. It just says what happened.
     
  17. radhead

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    Exactly my point.
     
  18. Hammster

    Hammster Don't care much for fancy parties. Too rough. Staff Member Administrator Supporter

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    Your point was that he repressed his true self. The text doesn't say that.
     
  19. jason_delisle

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    Really?
     
  20. radhead

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    Correct. You didn't address any of my points. You accused me of not reading the Bible.
     
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