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Noah and those pesky koala bears...

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by chickenman, May 24, 2002.

  1. chickenman

    chickenman evil unamerican

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    This is for those who believe in a literal interpretation of genesis. Its pretty simple, i'd just like an explanation of how you fit koala bears and marsupials in general into a literal interpretation of the flood story.
     
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  2. ilgwamh

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    Not everyone who takes the flood account literally believes in a global flood. Some will posit that the flood was local and that interpretation is consistent with the Biblical description. Proponents of this view would say koala bears were not on the ark. Just some localized animals.
     
  3. theyre here

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    Genesis 7:23
    "And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark."

    This account seems pretty clear, "every living substance" is a very broad description. One must ask, what about all the plants as well as indigenous animal species around the world.
     
  4. tycho

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    A semi-literal interpretation! I like it.
     
  5. elephanticity

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    In the whole account, it specifies that the death was every living thing that had breath in it's nostrils. Creationists make a big deal about this, as it is a looophole for plants, insects and anything else without a nostril. Personally, i think that as a rationalization, it blows.

    Blows? Nostril? Never mind, it was funnier in my head.
     
  6. theyre here

    theyre here Supreme Skeptic

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    Well... one must ask how the plants, salt-water fish, and coral were able to survive?
     
  7. Josephus

    Josephus <b>Co-Founder Christian Forums</b> Supporter

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    If you were God, how would you figure out a way?
     
  8. theyre here

    theyre here Supreme Skeptic

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    Not a fair question. If I were God, I wouldn't kill everyone.
     
  9. Josephus

    Josephus <b>Co-Founder Christian Forums</b> Supporter

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    really now? even if they were killing babies and women?
     
  10. theyre here

    theyre here Supreme Skeptic

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    Whoa!

    Where'd that come from?

    Surly you're not implying what you seem to be implying?



    And no, even in that case. Why kill everyone for the "sins" of a few?
     
  11. Wildfire

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    It was more than a few who had sinned. According to the bible, the cries of the earth had reached up into heaven, and God, looking down, was regretful that he had created man. Because >man had sinned greatly: man/women/animals/ were unclean and wickedness was <everywhere>. God then had decided to rid the earth, but saved Noah and his family because he found them worthy in his eyes.
    (BTW I think the Koala bears were sleeping)
    Wildfire
     
  12. Josephus

    Josephus <b>Co-Founder Christian Forums</b> Supporter

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    "And no, even in that case. Why kill everyone for the "sins" of a few?"

    That's not my question. If you really want an answer this question, I suggest you answer mine:

    Would you, as God, kill someone who is killing others?
     
  13. ilgwamh

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    Local flood proponentss have answers to all the allegedly, universal descriptions of the flood. If anyone wants to see them all they have to do is do a search on the local flood view. You'll find them. Unless someone here wants to defend the view.

    or Go to reasons.org --> to resources section --> books by ross ---> genesis question --> flood chapter

    It offers a brief intro. I
     
  14. theyre here

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    Well... I suppose if you insist on an athiest attempting to make a Godly decision, we should examine the context of the decision.

    Genesis 6:11-13
    "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
    And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
    And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

    The reference discusses corruption and violence. One could read from this and surmise that God's initial attempt at creating humans was imperfect and initiated the Godly "undo." Since I don't agree with the action, I can't say I would do the same. One should take responsibility for one's mistakes.
     
  15. maninastrangeland

    maninastrangeland New Member

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    so, with this flood thing.

    god made a mistake?
     
  16. Ray K

    Ray K Cogito ergo sum

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    Let's put it this way. The story would make a heck of a lot more sense if it were Satan doing the flooding and the drowning of babies.
     
  17. Greeter

    Greeter The Space Invaders did not get by on me!

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    Greetings All,

    The heading of this thread is neat but I have no idea what it refers to. Is there a perceived problem with having koala bears and the flood?

    On other matters:

    -About man being an imperfect creation: Maybe we were perfectly designed with a flaw on purpose (after all, today we have the ability to make cars that last forever and yet we don't build them that way). God gaves us free will but also gave us rules to follow. We have the ability to not follow those rules with consequences attached.

    -"And no, even in that case. Why kill everyone for the "sins" of a few?"
    (Maybe someone could explain how to put quotes from other posts in my posts properly as all I know is copy and paste)

    By killing everyone but Noah and his family, God shows that we are our brothers keepers. What people do around us can affect us. We should try to make sure that those around us sin as little as possible. What is that old line? "Evil wins when good men sit and do nothing." We need to be involved in the world around us.
     
  18. Ben johnson

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    That's silly. Not all of the "floodwaters" came from rain. The Bible says, "The fountains of the great deep burst open". The floodwaters were most probably, saline. The plants survived by seeds, bulbs, floaters, etc. If God gathered the animals, He is certainly capable of protecting the plants also.

    I too don't understand the question of "marsupials". Why couldn't God simply gather them, too? Koalas aren't very fast---perhaps they hitched a ride on a GREYHOUND??? (that was a JOKE, people...)

    Now, there is a very weird theory about the whole "flood-thing". Check out the prior chapter, Gen6, verse 4. Is it possible, just possible---that there were demons capable of reproducing with Humans---and this gave rise to legends like Hercules, Zena (uhm, well, she was on TV...)? Maybe the Earth was evil, AND genetically corrupt? Except for Noah?

    BUT---the really BIG question, is "what kind of helpers did God send for Noah's journey?"

    Why, ARK-ANGELS of COURSE!

    (Ben runs for his life before the eggs & rotten tomaters can fly...)

    :D
     
  19. theyre here

    theyre here Supreme Skeptic

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    No it's not. Coral can only survive in shallow salt water, and the oldest reef, the Great Barrier Reef, is much older than the supposed flood.

    Another question... how was Noah able to build the largest wooden boat ever (and ever since) without modern shipwright skills or even nails?
     
  20. elephanticity

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    Did you really wanna post this, or did the devil make you do it?

    If so, maybe you should have floated the idea around your home before posting it. You wanna be careful about barge-ing into a discussion of the Ark. You could cause a big row. People will be lining up in pairs to refute your arguments. Then they'll sail you down the river.



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    And if the flood waters were saline, what did they drink on the ark? The rain only lasted for 40 days, and animals really go thru some water.
     
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