No, the Nazi platform did not echo the Democratic platform, as Donald Trump Jr. said

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I think maybe for same reason the group led by Steve Bannon renamed themselves from White Supremacists to "alt-right".

What group is that, and what makes you say that it had named itself "White Supremacists?"
 
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What group is that, and what makes you say that it had named itself "White Supremacists?"

From the 20s to the 50s, it was something a lot of people were proud of. Society changes, and even guys like Bannon and David Duke now are offended if we call them white supremacists.
 
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What group is that, and what makes you say that it had named itself "White Supremacists?"
I should make myself clearer. I was referring to KKK and Neo Nazis. Now they call themself alt-right and Steve Bannon is one of the leaders. I think this helps explain why Trump supported KKK and Neo Nazis after Charlottesville violence.

It is clear that people Trump hires such as Bannon are closer to Nazis than any Democrat.
 
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The Nazi's were a nationalist-socialist sect, and the Democrats are largely an evolved party from America's southern farmers and slave owners.

There is in fact a correlation to be made there- white liberal guilt, the ironically fascist 'anit-fascists' barrelling around..
I mean, it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to see something odd within all that. Just a bit of insight is all.
 
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I should make myself clearer. I was referring to KKK and Neo Nazis.
So...Bannon was NOT the head of any group that was named itself "White Supremacists."

All right, lets move on.

Now they call themself alt-right and Steve Bannon is one of the leaders.
I don't believe that you know this to be true. What group are you referring to?
 
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The Nazi's were a nationalist-socialist sect,

As you see, they were a right-wing party, allied with the industrialists. They sided with businessmen against labor leaders. They put union leaders and socialists in concentration camps. Fascists were right-wing. There was, in the 1930s, a lot of support for Hitler and Mussolini in the United States. But on the right wing. Even today, the Nazi party allies itself with other right-wing parties, as you saw at Charlottesville.

and the Democrats are largely an evolved party from America's southern farmers and slave owners.

Three big changes transformed the democrats from a conservative racist party to a liberal party:
First was Truman's integration of the military (which caused a secession of southern democrats which almost cost him the election. Fortunately, there were a lot more liberal northern democrats than conservative southern democrats.

Second was LBJ's civil rights acts, which allied liberal democrats with liberal republicans to pass the bill. Most southern democrats opposed it, and every southern republican opposed it. That began the exodus of racist democrats to the republican party.

Third was Nixon's "Southern Strategy" which was designed to encourage that exodus. As Kevin Phillips, his strategist, admitted,

From now on, the Re publicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 per cent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that . . . but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Dem ocrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and be come Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/05/17/archives/nixons-southern-strategy-its-all-in-the-charts.html

Many republicans were adverse to race-baiting, but they acquiesced in order to win. Now, they are unable to win without the racist vote. That conflict was best expressed by GHW Bush's strategist, Lee Atwater, who said:
You start out in 1954 by saying, (N-word redacted) By 1968 you can’t say (N-word redacted)—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than (N-word redacted).”
https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

There is in fact a correlation to be made there- white republican guilt, who are caught between the desire to win and pre-Nixon principles. Nixon is winning.

I mean, it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to see something odd within all that. Just a bit of insight is all.

Yep.
 
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I don't believe that you know this to be true. What makes you believe that they call themselves alt-right, and what group are you referring to?
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The alt-right, there to oppose the left. That's the guys Trump said were good people.
 
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So...Bannon was NOT the head of any group that was named itself "White Supremacists."
No, but this guy was:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
In 1974, Duke founded the Louisiana-based Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (KKKK), shortly after graduating from LSU.[100] He became Grand Wizard of the KKKK. A follower of Duke, Thomas Robb, changed the title of Grand Wizard to National Director, and replaced the Klan's white robes with business suits.[101] Duke first received broad public attention during this time, as he endeavored to market himself in the mid-1970s as a new brand of Klansman: well-groomed, engaged, and professional. Duke also reformed the organization, promoting nonviolence and legality, and, for the first time in the Klan's history, women were accepted as equal members and Catholics were encouraged to apply for membership.[102] Duke would repeatedly insist that the Klan was "not anti-black" but rather "pro-white" and "pro-Christian." Duke told The Daily Telegraph that he left the Klan in 1980 because he disliked its associations with violence and could not stop the members of other Klan chapters from doing "stupid or violent things."[103]
and this:
NAAWP
In 1980, Duke left the Klan and formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP), a white nationalist organization.[104]
which led to this:
Alt-right
Duke has written in praise of the alt-right, describing one broadcast as "fun and interesting"[131] and another as "this great show".[132] People for the American Way reported Duke championing the alt-right.[133] Duke described them as "our people" when describing their role in Donald Trump's election victory.[134]

There are also claims that whilst he is not an active member of the alt-right, he is an inspiration for the movement. The International Business Times described Duke as having 'Zieg-heiling acolytes in the so-called "alt-right"'.[135] The Forward has said that Duke "paved the way" for the alt-right movement.[136]


All right, lets move on.


I don't believe that you know this to be true. What group are you referring to?
Maybe it was this:
https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/white-nationalists-on-bannon/index.html
The leaders of the white nationalist and so-called "alt-right" movement — all of whom vehemently oppose multiculturalism and share the belief in the supremacy of the white race and Western civilization — publicly backed Trump during his campaign for his hardline positions on Mexican immigration, Muslims, and refugee resettlement. Trump has at times disavowed their support. Bannon's hiring, they say, is a signal that Trump will follow through on some of his more controversial policy positions.
"I think that's excellent," former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke told CNN's KFile. "I think that anyone that helps complete the program and the policies that President-elect Trump has developed during the campaign is a very good thing, obviously. So it's good to see that he's sticking to the issues and the ideas that he proposed as a candidate. Now he's president-elect and he's sticking to it and he's reaffirming those issues."
Duke, who last week lost his longshot bid for the US Senate seat from Louisiana, said he plans on expanding his radio show and is hoping to launch a 24 hour online news show with a similar approach to Comedy Central's Daily Show. He argued Bannon's position was among the most important in the White House.
"You have an individual, Mr. Bannon, who's basically creating the ideological aspects of where we're going," added Duke. "And ideology ultimately is the most important aspect of any government." (emph. added)
tulc(hopes that helps) :wave:
 
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(snip)
I mean, it doesn't really take a rocket scientist to see something odd within all that. Just a bit of insight is all.
uhmmm...what I'm seeing doesn't sound like it's based on "insight", it sounds more like "wishful thinking". :sorry:
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out) :wave:
 
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(snip)
That's what they literally described themselves as, but so long as you have Jews and the liberal media completely snuffing out such simple realities to sheep you away from them, it's going to be hard for you to realize that YOU are the one in fact laboring under 'wishful thinking'. (snip)
...okay, let's just look at this portion of the above post for a second...anyone else see anything ironic in it? :scratch:
tulc(just curious) :wave:
 
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"Guys...guys! The Nazis called themselves National Socialists, and many Democrats running are Democratic Socialists! See? They're totally the same thing!"
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National Socialist German Worker's Party, AKA the Nazi Party.

Which as you just learned, was a right-wing fascist group allied with the industrialists against the socialists. They threw socialists into concentration camps. Even today, in Charlottesville,you saw nazis and the Klan supporting the right-wing,.

That's what they literally described themselves as

So therefore, you believe that the "German Democratic Republic" was a democracy, and the "People's Republic of China" is run by the people of China? I think I see the problem here.

but so long as you have Jews and the liberal media completely snuffing out such simple realities to sheep you away from them

Ah, it's those nasty Jews,you say. Tell us again how you have nothing in common with the National Socialists.

If you haven't paid attention, the Democrats in Congress and in every major city are blatantly trying to turn this country into a socialist state- they recently even called it the 'future of the Democrat Party'. And these aren't just random people, these are heads of the DNC.
Beyond a small handful of right wing nationalists, I fail to see how the Right wing has anything in common at all with Nazis

(It's the flags, the racism, the right-wing objectives; stuff like that)
 
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...okay, let's just look at this portion of the above post for a second...anyone else see anything ironic in it? :scratch:
tulc(just curious) :wave:

Yeah, they also believe white people are evil and want to banish whiteness in the name of multicultural cleansing.
I mean, you can't deny what these people say from their own mouths. They are socialist fascists. Just because a world war or a holocaust hasn't come from it doesn't mean they are anything less than what they are in principle.
They're calling every one else evil Nazis and it's because they are internally similar to such. It's called projection. the fact that you're seemingly incapable of acknowledging any of it says a lot about where you probably stand yourself, you're not about to point at a tiny handful of nationalists and ignore the state of almost the entirety of the Left Wing.
 
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Which as you just learned, was a right-wing fascist group allied with the industrialists against the socialists. They threw socialists into concentration camps. Even today, in Charlottesville,you saw nazis and the Klan supporting the right-wing,.



So therefore, you believe that the "German Democratic Republic" was a democracy, and the "People's Republic of China" is run by the people of China? I think I see the problem here.



Ah, it's those nasty Jews,you say. Tell us again how you have nothing in common with the National Socialists.



(It's the flags, the racism, the right-wing objectives; stuff like that)

I'll just point you to post #34. If you're all going to be an echo chamber, no point in replying to each individually.
 
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I'll just point you to post #34.

Don't remember anyone else here blaming the Jews, but maybe I missed it. (Barbarian checks)
Nope. Nothing there. It was just you.

And as you learned, self-bestowed names are often intentionally misleading. Now do you see why the "national socialists" weren't socialists any more than the "German Democratic Republic" was democratic?
 
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Don't remember anyone else here blaming the Jews, but maybe I missed it. (Barbarian checks)
Nope. Nothing there. It was just you.

I made a small mention of Jews and media influencing social bias, and you have jumped straight to knight gear and ran right into iron defense of Jews.
According to you, they never and could never be a part of anything wrong. You're certainly that type of person- deny how they pretty much are the backbone of the media, are funding people to protest against conservatives, make up a third of the Supreme Court, and are the most overly-represented people in Congress. Ignore that they have this much influence despite being, what, 1% of the US population?
I don't really need to argue with you or anyone on the matter because the fact is that I'm right and you're all in just plain denial about it. Perhaps scared that you'll be called anti-semitic and shunned for simply acknowledging reality.
Trump is tied up with Israel by Jewish demand while his supporters are all being called Nazis.
Save the run-of-the-mill bogus liberal nonsense.
 
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I made a small mention of Jews and media influencing social bias, and you have jumped straight to knight gear and ran right into iron defense of Jews.

I did? (Barbarian checks) Nope. No defense of Jews at all. It's just diagnostic when you hear that kind of generic hostility to Jews. Far as I know, Jews are pretty much like all the rest of us. I'm just pointing out that you tipped your hand there.

According to you, they never and could never be a part of anything wrong.

Nope. Go back and look. You're confabulating now.

You're certainly that type of person- deny how they pretty much are the backbone of the media, are funding people to protest against conservatives, make up a third of the Supreme Court, and are the most overly-represented people in Congress. Ignore that they have this much influence despite being, what, 1% of the US population?

So Jews have achieved high success at rates exceeding other ethnic groups. Did you know that there is some evidence that anti-Semitism had a hand in making Jews more intelligent? Ironic, um?

I don't really need to argue with you or anyone on the matter because the fact is that I'm right and you're all in just plain denial about it. Perhaps scared that you'll be called anti-semitic and shunned for simply acknowledging reality.

We'll just note what you've said here, and keep in in mind from now on. No need to discuss it further.
 
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Yeah, they also believe white people are evil and want to banish whiteness in the name of multicultural cleansing.
Links? :scratch:

I mean, you can't deny what these people say from their own mouths.
Well, since you haven't supplied anything in support of what you claim they said I don't realy have to deny anything. :wave:

They are socialist fascists. Just because a world war or a holocaust hasn't come from it doesn't mean they are anything less than what they are in principle.
Again, you've offered nothing to prove this except for you making a claim that it's true.

They're calling every one else evil Nazis
link?

and it's because they are internally similar to such.
Link?

It's called projection.
Well...there may be some projection going on, I'm simply not sure it's them doing the projecting. :wave:

the fact that you're seemingly incapable of acknowledging any of it says a lot about where you probably stand yourself,
...or you could just be wrong in what you think, about them as well as me? Which is just as possible. :sorry:


you're not about to point at a tiny handful of nationalists and ignore the state of almost the entirety of the Left Wing.
Well, we can address "the state of almost the entirety of the Left Wing." when you can show any actual evidence about them. ;)
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So Jews have achieved high success at rates exceeding other ethnic groups. Did you know that there is some evidence that anti-Semitism had a hand in making Jews more intelligent? Ironic, um

The reason why the Jews are bolstered is because of the 90 million Right Wing Dispensationalists who have rejected Spiritual Israel. It is why America has such an exhaustive interest in Israel and how Jews have gotten into the places of government they have.
And then there's the liberal media who are so quick to call just about anything racist that nobody can even begin to show what's going on before they are basically likened to an early century gestapo.

You give them this deified observance that is frankly disturbing. Their Bolshevism resulted in over 60 million deaths, and you think that the reason they've been kicked out of every country they've inhabited is because they are just victims- as soon as they come in, there are problems.

Is that 'Antisemitic'- to tell the facts- or you simply just incapable of acknowledging reality?
 
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Links? :scratch:


Well, since you haven't supplied anything in support of what you claim they said I don't realy have to deny anything. :wave:


Again, you've offered nothing to prove this except for you making a claim that it's true.


link?


Link?


Well...there may be some projection going on, I'm simply not sure it's them doing the projecting. :wave:


...or you could just be wrong in what you think, about them as well as me? Which is just as possible. :sorry:



Well, we can address "the state of almost the entirety of the Left Wing." when you can show any actual evidence about them. ;)
tulc(likes links in support of peoples positions) :oldthumbsup:

The fact that you would ask me for evidence of those things is hilarious- you seriously don't watch the news, read a paper, watch videos, nothing? Have you been living under a rock for the past couple years?

I don't need to post links for something that the entire country has been well aware of ever since Trump first stood up and said he was running for office, and I'm not the type of person to entertain such willful ignorance or denial either so you may as well just that nonsense.
 
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