No such thing as " believing " for salvation .

[watchman 2]

The words believe , believer , and believing , are mistranslations of the Greek word pisteuo . Anyone interested enough to talk about it ?

 

[Shawn Stuart]

So you know the original languages better than the translators huh?

 

[1stcenturylady]

The words believe , believer , and believing , are mistranslations of the Greek word pisteuo . Anyone interested enough to talk about it ?

Of course, don't mind the peanut gallery scoffers. I'm interested.

 

[Monk Brendan]

The words believe , believer , and believing , are mistranslations of the Greek word pisteuo . Anyone interested enough to talk about it ?

Funny you should sat this.

"I believe" is EXACTLY what the Greek Orthodox Church says "pisteuo" (pronounced pisTEVo) means.

Do you know more than Greek speakers do?

 

[Shawn Stuart]

Of course, don't mind the peanut gallery scoffers. I'm interested.

Judging by his misuse of the English language I doubt his Greek is much better.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Judging by his misuse of the English language I doubt his Greek is much better.

You haven't even given him a chance to say his peace before gunning him down. Shame on you.

 

[BCsenior]

Myself and others have concluded that to RECONCILE
the eternal security NT verses with those verses that are opposed to them ... we need to understand what is really meant by that one word "believe"!
To reconcile all of the verses, we see this in the NT:

True saving FAITH = deep heart-felt belief + enduring faith + strong trust + obedience
or ...
True saving BELIEF = deep heart-felt and
enduring faith + strong trust + obedience

There is NO one word in any language
which encompasses all of these concepts,
so translators just use the word "believe".
But, we know that far more than intellectual belief
is required to be saved.

 

[Shawn Stuart]

You haven't even given him a chance to say his peace before gunning him down. Shame on you.

Because it’s ridiculous to claim that the translators of all our millions of bibles are getting it wrong.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

From Strong:

1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in

1a) of the thing believed

1a1) to credit, have confidence

1b) in a moral or religious reference

1b1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul

1b2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity

2a) to be intrusted with a thing



Part of Speech: verb

Relation: from G4102

 

[watchman 2]

Dang , I didn't think anyone would care to reply . Lol

 

[1stcenturylady]

Because it’s ridiculous to claim that the translators of all our millions of bibles are getting it wrong.

I've seen mistakes in the NKJV, the one I use, that are saying something the literal translation does not say. Translators are not above bias.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Dang , I didn't think anyone would care to reply . Lol

When are you going to respond to me? I want to know what you left out of your OP. Or do you have me on ignore, and didn't see my post.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Because it’s ridiculous to claim that the translators of all our millions of bibles are getting it wrong.

That's an ad populum argument. It's fallacious.

Anyone interested enough to talk about it ?

I wish the OP had just made the case and let us debate its merits. I don't know...do I want to talk about it? What have you got?

 

[BCsenior]

I've seen mistakes in the NKJV, the one I use, that are saying something the literal translation does not say. Translators are not above bias.

Consider the KJV's "before" in Matthew 24:25.
People have thought it means "previously".

Consider the NKJV's "beforehand" in Matthew 24:25.
It's obvious that it means "before it happens".

Only opposite meanings, that's all.

 

[Shawn Stuart]

That's an ad populum argument. It's fallacious.

So you know Greek better than the translators then

 

[watchman 2]

Of course, don't mind the peanut gallery scoffers. I'm interested.

Welll first Lady , I'll present one fact at a time . I have many to support my claim , but rarely get passed 3 or 4 .

Fact no. 1) Pistis is the Greek word , the noun where we get our English word , the noun Faith . Used 245 times in the NT .

Fact no. 2 ) pisteuo is the corresponding verb to the noun Pistis . The English language has no corespocorres verb to the noun Faith , like the Greek does . Used 248 times in the NT .

Any major disagreements so far ?

 

[Shawn Stuart]

I've seen mistakes in the NKJV, the one I use, that are saying something the literal translation does not say. Translators are not above bias.

But to claim that ALL the translators of the various versions are getting it wrong is nonsensical.

 

[1stcenturylady]

So you know Greek better than the translators then

You really should stop while your behind.

 

[Shawn Stuart]

Welll first Lady , I'll present one fact at a time . I have many to support my claim , but rarely get passed 3 or 4 .

Fact no. 1) Pistis is the Greek word , the noun where we get our English word , the noun Faith . Used 245 times in the NT .

Fact no. 2 ) pisteuo is the corresponding verb to the noun Pistis . The English language has no corespocorres verb to the noun Faith , like the Greek does . Used 248 times in the NT .

Any major disagreements so far ?

When you learn to use commas I’ll consider taking your Greek instruction.

 

[1stcenturylady]

But to claim that ALL the translators of the various versions are getting it wrong is nonsensical.

The point is, you couldn't care less to even find out. Let the translators, like Spiritualists Westcott and Hort, do your thinking for you. 1 Corinthians 14:38.