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No Sexual Ethic - Postmodernity's Chickens Come Home to Roost

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Tree of Life, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Ozymandian

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    Do you live in a society or just alone in the woods?
     
  2. Cearbhall

    Cearbhall Unitarian Universalist

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    I would take this thread more seriously if you hadn't had to completely omit the concept of consent in order to make it work. I'm not sure why you think it was a good idea to pretend that it doesn't exist, but the absence of it is glaringly obvious and puzzling.
     
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  3. quatona

    quatona "God"? What do you mean??

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    Care to address my statements instead of asking unrelated, irrelevant personal questions?
     
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  4. Strathos

    Strathos No one important

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    This is a somewhat unrelated tangent, but I've never understood the word 'post-modern'. Modern means the present, and post means after, so wouldn't 'post-modern' mean the future? But that's never how it's used.
     
  5. Cearbhall

    Cearbhall Unitarian Universalist

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    Relative to whatever has been labeled as modernism or the Modern Era within a certain discipline or aspect of society. Modernism in American literature is WWI-WWII, for example. Modernist sculpture starts around the turn of the 20th century. Or, relative to Modernism as a whole.

    But yes, I agree, people use it colloquially and then it doesn't make much sense. In contexts such as this thread, it seems to mean "The rock-and-roll era of Satan."
     
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  6. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Sexual assault and sexual harassment are crimes not just some made up changing ethics.
    Assault and harassment have been crimes under common law for hundreds of years, especially assault. There have been many reasons that the sexual forms of these crimes have not been adequately addressed in the past and maybe now they will be.

    The definition of assault varies by jurisdiction, but generally falls into one of these categories:

    1. Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Intent to cause physical injury is not required, and physical injury does not need to result. So defined in tort law and the criminal statutes of some states.

    2. With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Essentially, an attempted battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states.

    3. With the intent to cause physical injury, actually causing such injury to another person. Essentially, the same as a battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states, and so understood in popular usage.

    Harassment
    (1) The use or threat of use of violence or other criminal means to harm the physical person, reputation, or property of any person.
    (2) The use of obscene or profane language or language the natural consequence of which is to abuse the hearer or reader.

    15 U.S. Code § 1692d - Harassment or abuse
     
  7. Tree of Life

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    I don't mean to eliminate the idea of consent from the Biblical sexual ethic. I see it as implied in the other principles.
     
  8. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Ozymandian

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    "Modernism" refers to enlightenment philosophy and the cultures it produced.
     
  9. Desk trauma

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    You don't have to eliminate it, in most cases its not there to start with.
     
  10. Waggles

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    And yet Russia is experiencing a Christian revival wherein the State and
    the Church are partners working together to protect Russia from the
    moral depravity of the humanist liberal West.

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Cearbhall

    Cearbhall Unitarian Universalist

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    Then your argument that we're moving further and further away from it falls apart.
     
  12. Waggles

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    And why do young people today think it is appropriate to sms (text)
    porn photos of their nude selves to others?

    Why is it Ok to sexualise very young children through dress and fashions
    on sale for little girls?

    Why are young people not counselled by psychologists in respect to gender
    dysphoria and allowed to grow out of it? But instead are erroneously given
    hormonal treatment and offered transgender surgery?
    Young people have become victims to serve the sexual politics agendas of
    the un-Godly who are out to destructure our society, and make it new
    according to their image.

    Why are children in homosexual "marriages" denied their fundamental human
    rights [enshrined in the 1959 UN Declaration On The Rights Of The Child] to
    know and be with both their natural biological parents?
    Why are the rights of children to be with mothers and fathers denied to suit
    the latest politically correct family craze?

    Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint; But he that keeps the law,
    happy is he. Proverbs 29:18
     
  13. bhsmte

    bhsmte Newbie

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    You can follow scripture, correct?

    Are you taken aback, because you expect everyone to have your same faith belief and feel people can't be moral if they don't believe as you do?
     
  14. Tree of Life

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    You think we're moving closer to the Biblical ethic? I'm confused.
     
  15. Tree of Life

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    "Everyone" is obviously hyperbole. You got me.

    I'm just saying that our culture (at least in my country) lacks a coherent, agreed upon sexual ethic from which to be outraged or to make other determinations about sexually moral behavior. We are certainly outraged when it comes to certain allegations and we're making judgments and determinations all the time, but it's unclear what the basis of these judgments is.
     
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    Why would one need to follow what you call; "biblical ethics" to be a moral and ethical person?
     
  17. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Evangelical Catholic Supporter

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    This begs the question of if the Bible really presents a unified, detailed sexual ethic beyond "love your neighbor as yourself"?

    ToL, I think recent events do show that Americans, despite not having your particular interpretation of what is Christian ethics ,do have a sense of sexual ethics and it is definitive. In this postmodern society, not everything is up for grabs. It's just now, women have a voice at the table and they get to put their word in about how they don't like men taking ownership of their bodies just because they are wealthy and powerful.
     
  18. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Ozymandian

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    The Bible certainly goes into greater detail concerning what it means to love.

    By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.

    The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (1 Jn 5:2). Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles.

    They certainly have a sense of sexual ethics. Otherwise there would be no outrage. But is this ethic coherent? Could they articulate it? That is much more doubtful. Upon what is it based?
     
  19. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Evangelical Catholic Supporter

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    I'm not a conservative Reformed Christian, so of course I don't have such platonic notions. Ethics must be worked out in this nitty, gritty sinful wold of real people, with all their complexities. All I can offer them as a Christian is a foretaste of the world to come, physically present every sunday at my little church. That koinonia is part of the solution, no doubt.

    What are you offering exactly? Another ideology, another big idea. The world has no shortage of those, and found them all wanting.

    I agree with what is said earlier, delve into real history and you will realize today's sexual ethic is much more coherent than any in the past, for the most part. Once you take the romantic blinders off.
     
  20. Cearbhall

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    I'm in the same country as you are, as are most people in this thread, and most of the people I know are not at all confused that sane consent between adults is the basis of sexual ethics.
     
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