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No Pleasure Or Good Pleasure?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by gmm4j, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. shturt678

    shturt678 Senior Veteran

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    :):) :thumbsup:
     
  2. gmm4j

    gmm4j Well-Known Member

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    :doh:
     
  3. shturt678

    shturt678 Senior Veteran

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    :):) I knew you would finally realize that "regeneration" and "renewing by the Holy Spiritd" are inseparably connected, ie, God's 'good pleasure.' :D
     
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  4. gmm4j

    gmm4j Well-Known Member

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    Did I ever claim they weren't?
     
  5. shturt678

    shturt678 Senior Veteran

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    :):) Don't be that concerned as your running with the majority, secure in the crowd mentality with your "Being born as a son is the beginning of the sanctification process." with a confirmation ":doh:" Also most place themselves above IITim.3:16 ergo "Your a nominal Christian," and I'm the exception the rule. :thumbsup:
     
  6. gmm4Jesus

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    You are not a child of God included in Christ until you first believe.
     
  7. Skala

    Skala I'm a Saint. Not because of me, but because of Him

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    And you'll never believe unless God converts you. You hate God by fallen nature and find the gospel foolishness.

    Glad we had this conversation.
     
  8. gmm4Jesus

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    The will needs to be overcome, but regeneration is not necessary for this. The dead can hear and believe, and by doing so they will live.

    Jesus says:

    John 5:25
    I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when THE DEAD WILL HEAR the voice of the Son of God and THOSE WHO HEAR WILL LIVE.

    The order presented here is:

    1. Word
    2. Hear (receive the Word)
    3. Live

    Look again… It does not say life and then hear, but hear and then live.
     
  9. BBAS 64

    BBAS 64 Contributor Supporter

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    The Dead will hear and it is the result of regeneration.

    Context is judgement..... the dead made alive (regenration) those in the tombs hear... for the resurection of judgement.

    Nothing to do with salvation, nor eternal life.

    25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

    Regeneration is First and Foremost the Illumination ​
    of the Understanding
    Concerning Sin and the need for a Savior.

    ♦ ​
    2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath
    shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face
    of Jesus Christ."

    " ​
    Regeneration is the Elevation of the Heart. "The first and last and closest trial
    question to any living creature is, 'What do you like?' God out into the street and ask the
    first man you meet what his taste is, and, if he answers candidly, you know him, body and
    soul. What we like determines what we are, and is the sign of what we are; and to teach
    taste is inevitably to form character."
    (John Ruskin) The Bible confirms what the honest
    heart must admit. Prior to salvation, there is a love for sin. The heart is filled with all
    unrighteousness (Rom. 1:29). But after God instills a new life principle in the soul, there
    is an elevation of the heart towards heaven. It is when God creates a clean heart and
    renews a right spirit in the soul that the desire is present to
    "teach transgressors thy
    ways"
    so that sinners are converted. (Psa. 51:13).

    " ​
    Regeneration is Absolutely Essential to Salvation.

    ♦ ​
    John 3:3 “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a

    man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

    In Him,

    Bill
     
  10. gmm4Jesus

    gmm4Jesus Guest

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    :)
     
  11. stan1953

    stan1953 Well-Known Member

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    Interfere would be the wrong word. Just as God draws us to Christ, He works in us both to will and do of His good pleasure. Only by relinquishing our will and submitting to His, can we move on.
     
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