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Did the death angel not pass-over us?
I have been thinking about this for awhile now and I'd really like to hear your thoughts on it.
Romans 6:6 says " Knowing this that our old man was crucified with Him" and verse 11 " reckon ye also yourselves to be dead unto sin."
Reckoning is another term for accounting and arithmatics is about the only thing that we can do with complete accuracy. So when He says to reckon ourselves dead, that means it's in the books as we ARE dead already and so we have to percieve ourselves that way.
Romans 6:3
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
So, wouldn't that mean then that in the NT way of things the death angel took out all that were and are in Christ? What does this mean?
I think that this is where we play the doublemindedness between believing satan's lies and how we are in God's site due to Jesus' blood shed for us. We died but are immediately rebirthed with a new nature, our spirit, which was stillborn, has awakened. But the body isn't redeemed as of yet. And our mind still contains freewill.
Doubleminded: Submit to God, Resist the Devil
2 Corinthians 10:5
casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Peter 5:5-7
5b be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
“ God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”[a]
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
Freewill:
Romans 6:13
And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
God didn't remove the sin but He removed the sinner by placing our spirit with the Holy Spirit. And instead of increasing our strength He Himself increases within us, while decreasing and weakening our natural desires.
John 3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease.
2 Corinthians 4:18
while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Hebrews 11
By Faith We Understand
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
What we're dealing with is facts of the promises of God. They are revealed to us by His Spirit and thru that revelation we "know" it to be true by the spirit giving evedence within us so that we lay hold on these. Facts are facts whether we believe them or not. If we don't believe the facts of the cross they still remain as real as ever, but they are valueless to us. It doesn't take faith to make things real in themselves, but faith can "substantiate" them and make them real in our experience.
Whatever contradicts truth of the Word of God is the devil's lie, not b/c it may not be a real fact to our sences, but b/c God has stated a greater fact before which the other must eventually yield.
John 17:15b,17
keep them from the evil one. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As soon as we begin to accept our death with Christ as a fact, satan will do his best to convince us by the evedence of our day-to-day experience that we are not dead at all but very much alive. So we must choose to believe satan's lies or God's truth.
2 Corinthians 5:14
For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died;
2 Corinthians 5:7 (The Message)
6-8That's why we live with such good cheer. You won't see us drooping our heads or dragging our feet! Cramped conditions here don't get us down. They only remind us of the spacious living conditions ahead. It's what we trust in but don't yet see that keeps us going. Do you suppose a few ruts in the road or rocks in the path are going to stop us? When the time comes, we'll be plenty ready to exchange exile for homecoming.
The death is not in us but in Christ, where also is our life and where we abide.
Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Colossians 2:10
and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
This also is "reckoned" unto us. A fact to be accepted. God in His gracious purpose, has included us with Christ. The character of the branches is determined by the vine. Discovering facts of Christ (and knowing that what He reveals, He will accomplish in us) is our food and growth in our new life.
Romans 6:4
Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:9-10
knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 5:21
so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
So, standing steadfast on Who Christ is, we find that all that is true of Him becoming true in us.
2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
John 15:5
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
But, I really wonder then, did the deathangel not pass-over us?
I have been thinking about this for awhile now and I'd really like to hear your thoughts on it.
Romans 6:6 says " Knowing this that our old man was crucified with Him" and verse 11 " reckon ye also yourselves to be dead unto sin."
Reckoning is another term for accounting and arithmatics is about the only thing that we can do with complete accuracy. So when He says to reckon ourselves dead, that means it's in the books as we ARE dead already and so we have to percieve ourselves that way.
Romans 6:3
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
So, wouldn't that mean then that in the NT way of things the death angel took out all that were and are in Christ? What does this mean?
I think that this is where we play the doublemindedness between believing satan's lies and how we are in God's site due to Jesus' blood shed for us. We died but are immediately rebirthed with a new nature, our spirit, which was stillborn, has awakened. But the body isn't redeemed as of yet. And our mind still contains freewill.
Doubleminded: Submit to God, Resist the Devil
2 Corinthians 10:5
casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Peter 5:5-7
5b be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for
“ God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”[a]
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
Freewill:
Romans 6:13
And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
God didn't remove the sin but He removed the sinner by placing our spirit with the Holy Spirit. And instead of increasing our strength He Himself increases within us, while decreasing and weakening our natural desires.
John 3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease.
2 Corinthians 4:18
while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Hebrews 11
By Faith We Understand
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
What we're dealing with is facts of the promises of God. They are revealed to us by His Spirit and thru that revelation we "know" it to be true by the spirit giving evedence within us so that we lay hold on these. Facts are facts whether we believe them or not. If we don't believe the facts of the cross they still remain as real as ever, but they are valueless to us. It doesn't take faith to make things real in themselves, but faith can "substantiate" them and make them real in our experience.
Whatever contradicts truth of the Word of God is the devil's lie, not b/c it may not be a real fact to our sences, but b/c God has stated a greater fact before which the other must eventually yield.
John 17:15b,17
keep them from the evil one. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As soon as we begin to accept our death with Christ as a fact, satan will do his best to convince us by the evedence of our day-to-day experience that we are not dead at all but very much alive. So we must choose to believe satan's lies or God's truth.
2 Corinthians 5:14
For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died;
2 Corinthians 5:7 (The Message)
6-8That's why we live with such good cheer. You won't see us drooping our heads or dragging our feet! Cramped conditions here don't get us down. They only remind us of the spacious living conditions ahead. It's what we trust in but don't yet see that keeps us going. Do you suppose a few ruts in the road or rocks in the path are going to stop us? When the time comes, we'll be plenty ready to exchange exile for homecoming.
The death is not in us but in Christ, where also is our life and where we abide.
Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Colossians 2:10
and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
This also is "reckoned" unto us. A fact to be accepted. God in His gracious purpose, has included us with Christ. The character of the branches is determined by the vine. Discovering facts of Christ (and knowing that what He reveals, He will accomplish in us) is our food and growth in our new life.
Romans 6:4
Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:9-10
knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 5:21
so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
So, standing steadfast on Who Christ is, we find that all that is true of Him becoming true in us.
2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
John 15:5
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
But, I really wonder then, did the deathangel not pass-over us?