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No Forgiveness for the Unrepentant

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by HisPrincess710, May 24, 2018.

  1. HisPrincess710

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    The following are not my words, but I hold to the same opinions. This is something that churches across the country need to hear. Regardless of what you're comfortable with, the Bible cannot be changed.

    "Have you ever had it happen that when you rebuked an abuser, not only did she refuse to apologize, repent, or change her hurtful behavior, but she then proceeded to smugly inform you that 'God forgives her' because 'God forgives everything,' and that the Bible says that you have to forgive her, too? I have, more than once.

    And all I can say to that is, 'Nice try.' Because it's just not true. Biblical forgiveness doesn't work that way. Not even close. God forgives everybody who REPENTS, not everybody who doesn't repent, and continues sinning. Repentance means turning from one's sinful ways and changing one's LIFE. It does not mean continuing on as before, and it also does not mean stopping just one or two obnoxious behaviors while continuing all the rest, or even finding some new ones. It might surprise such self-righteous offenders to learn that God does NOT forgive 'everybody,' and that he does NOT tell us to, either. In fact, there is NOT ONE INSTANCE in Scripture of the Lord forgiving anyone who remains 'stiff-necked' (stubborn) and unrepentant.

    Before one starts quoting the Bible, it might be a good idea to actually READ IT first. When ungodly people state that God's Word says something that justifies or facilitates their wickedness, I just love to hand them a Bible and ask them to show me exactly where it says that. Usually, they get all flustered, angry, or embarrassed, and quickly change the subject or storm off in a huff. If, by some remote chance, they can actually find the Scripture they're referring to (and conveniently misinterpreting), then we can read it in context and explore it together. But that hasn't happened to me yet!

    Those who know the Lord and study his Word know that he has such a heart of love for the downtrodden and the broken-hearted, and that he desires us to be free of every kind of bondage. God's Word is infallible, and God does not play mean little tricks on abuse victims. He NEVER says anything that would make it easier for a sinner to keep on sinning or an abuser to keep on abusing. To even suggest otherwise is to reveal a profound ignorance of God's divine nature.

    Biblically speaking, NO ONE gets forgiven without changing his ways and turning to God and godliness. The New Testament includes an additional requirement for meriting forgiveness: accepting Jesus as one's Lord and Savior (and no one who has genuinely done that can continue abusing others). Abusers would just love an excuse to obligate us to forgive them without the slightest effort to make amends, commitment to change, or anything expected of them at all. It's the Abuser's Dream Gig: to be able to commit one evil deed after another with impunity, and then pervert the Word of God by claiming that others have to repeatedly and unconditionally forgive her. This is utter nonsense.

    BE NOT DECEIVED; GOD IS NOT MOCKED: FOR WHATSOEVER A MAN SOWETH, THAT SHALL HE ALSO REAP. (Galatians 6:7) The Bible is not an excuse for abusive people to have a field day without ever suffering any consequences. Distorting the Word of God to get away with evil is an indication of the demonic nature of such people, not of their innocence and good intentions. Ask any deliverance minister and you will learn that twisting God’s Word to facilitate evil is one of the most common tactics used by demons.

    Abusers by definition wouldn't have the slightest idea what the Bible REALLY says about forgiveness, or anything else. It's not like they spend a lot of time studying God's Word and applying it to their lives. They're just repeating something they heard somewhere along the line, and twisting it to suit their own purposes. They're using what they imagine Scripture says to pressure us and guilt us into forgiving them when they have done nothing whatsoever to deserve our forgiveness.

    Some abusers like to call themselves Christians, because it enables them to get away with abusive behavior more frequently without being challenged or confronted. These people might actually be familiar with Scripture, and then use it, twist it, and take it out of context to justify their behavior and attempt to deceive us into forgiving them when no forgiveness is warranted. But talk is cheap. We need to study the Bible concerning this, and pray for the discernment and wisdom to distinguish between REAL Christians and PRETEND Christians: those who are conveniently 'Christian' only when it suits them. One big clue is that REAL Christians ACT LIKE real Christians. This means they do NOT mistreat other people.

    The Bible does in fact tell us that we should forgive as the Lord forgave us (Colossians 3:13; Ephesians 4:32). But there are requirements for forgiveness. If we read in more depth and in context about God forgiving us, including the hows, whys and under what circumstances, we will see that he only forgives us when we come to him in the spirit of remorse, change our lives through his Son, ask for forgiveness, and repent (CHANGE). So if we are to forgive others as God forgives us, then we are to forgive them AFTER they have shown genuine remorse by the grace of Jesus's cleansing blood, and AFTER they have repented (CHANGED), NOT BEFORE. That is the formula for forgiveness which God models for us, and that is the formula which he instructs us to follow.

    Other Scriptural examples of the Lord forgiving us IF AND WHEN WE REPENT are written in Ezekiel 33:10-20, Isaiah 55:6-7, Jeremiah 6:16-30 & 26:3, Luke 13:3 & 5, Acts 3:19. These are just a few of the examples we can study that will educate us about God's prerequisites and requirements for forgiveness.

    We are not to cheapen the gift of forgiveness by giving it prematurely or undeservedly, to those who demand it and act as if they are entitled to it, and yet have done nothing to merit it. The Lord's higher purpose is to change men's hearts and make them turn from evil, give up their wicked ways, and choose to follow HIM instead of Satan. He does that by requiring repentance before forgiveness, not by giving evildoers a free ride.

    In Luke 17:3, Jesus tells us very clearly that we are to forgive someone who sins against us IF he repents. He does NOT tell us to forgive everyone, including those who have absolutely no remorse and fully intend to continue abusing others and behaving badly. That would be preposterous and contradictory. God does not do nonsensical things that do not serve his ultimate purpose of bringing all men into his grace and his presence.

    When an abuser refuses to change his ways, stop abusing, and start doing good, we are unable to grant him forgiveness. When we cannot forgive him because of his intention to continue repeating his wickedness, then God does not forgive him, either. AGAIN JESUS SAID, 'PEACE BE WITH YOU! AS THE FATHER HAS SENT ME, I AM SENDING YOU.' AND WITH THAT HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID, 'RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. IF YOU FORGIVE ANYONE HIS SINS, THEY ARE FORGIVEN; IF YOU DO NOT FORGIVE THEM, THEY ARE NOT FORGIVEN.' John 20:21-22 NIV.

    God does not want us to continue to be abused. And he does not want us to allow abusers to continue their abuse with no consequences. In fact, we are told numerous times to shun evildoers (some of these Scriptures are: Proverbs 22:10, Proverbs 22:24, Proverbs 23:9, Proverbs 24:25, Proverbs 25:4-5, Proverbs 24:24, Proverbs 26:24-26, Psalm 37:9, Psalm 119:115, Proverbs 19:19, Matthew 18:15-17, Titus 3:10-11, and 1 Corinthians 5:11). Look up 'rebuke' in a large Concordance, and you will also find dozens of references.

    The Bible teaches that all evil behavior has consequences. The only way to come into a state of grace is to give up sinfulness and walk in the ways of the Lord, in love for others. Abusers by nature could not care less about coming closer to God, and usually need some extra incentive to straighten up and fly right. That incentive is often some kind of social censure, which may, for a particular individual, include our refusal to forgive him until and if he has earned it.

    There are times that God will use us in this way to bring a person into repentance and to him. By forgiving unremorseful evildoers, we are not helping them and we are not serving God's purposes. We are depriving them of the opportunity to repent and transform their lives, to truly accept Jesus as their Savior so their sins can be washed away, and to walk forever with our Father. By interfering with God's Law of Sowing and Reaping, we are preventing God's purpose from being fulfilled in that individual's life.

    The Lord requires that we do our part in bringing others to repentance. SON OF MAN, I HAVE MADE YOU A WATCHMAN FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; SO HEAR THE WORD I SPEAK AND GIVE THEM WARNING FROM ME. WHEN I SAY TO THE WICKED, 'O WICKED MAN, YOU WILL SURELY DIE,' AND YOU DO NOT SPEAK OUT TO DISSUADE HIM FROM HIS WAYS, THAT WICKED MAN WILL DIE FOR HIS SIN, AND I WILL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS BLOOD. BUT IF YOU DO WARN THE WICKED MAN TO TURN FROM HIS WAYS AND HE DOES NOT DO SO, HE WILL DIE FOR HIS SIN, BUT YOU WILL HAVE SAVED YOURSELF. (Ezekiel 33:7-9)

    So despite attempts by ungodly people to mislead, deceive or pressure us, we need to stand firm in the knowledge that the Lord does not forgive those who are 'stiff-necked,' refuse to repent, and intend to continue in their sinful ways, and he does not expect us to, either. There is no such thing as unconditional forgiveness. There are CONDITIONS on receiving forgiveness, there is a REASON for those conditions, and the conditions are repentance and turning from one's evil ways. Forgiveness is not to be given just because someone simply demands it, or insists he is entitled to it. It is only to be offered to those who are truly worthy of it."
     
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  2. Dave G.

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    Do you think a simple statement could have covered the 19 paragraphs or was that not possible ?
     
  3. Kevin Snow

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    Praise the Lord. I need not say anything. This is a good word.
     
  4. St_Worm2

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    Hi Princess, you said at the top that these "are not my words". If you don't mind me asking, whose words are they then? (can you perhaps link us to this article?)

    Thanks!

    --David
     
  5. Ken-1122

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    Are you saying once a person sins, and asks for forgiveness he/she must spend the remainder of their lives completely perfect/sinless?
     
  6. Kevin Snow

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    No, she's saying that as many times as you sin are as many times as you should ask for forgiveness.

    Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times. ~Matthew 18:21-22
     
  7. Ken-1122

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    I don’t think she is saying that. She said

    “God forgives everybody who REPENTS, not everybody who doesn't repent, and continues sinning. Repentance means turning from one's sinful ways and changing one's LIFE. It does not mean continuing on as before, and it also does not mean stopping just one or two obnoxious behaviors while continuing all the rest, or even finding some new ones.”

    Those were her exact words. This means once you’ve sinned, you must repent, and repenting is defined as turning from your sinful ways IOW never sinning again; because if you do sin again, that means you haven't turned from your sinful ways. Do you agree?
    And it isn’t enough to just stop that sinful act, but you can never commit any new sinful acts! She was very clear about this. Do you agree? This means (according to her) you must spend the remainder of your life perfect. Do you agree?
     
  8. Kevin Snow

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    Well Jesus did say, "From now on sin no more" so that IS the goal. How we do that is through KEEPING with repentance until we DO stop sinning.
     
  9. Ken-1122

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    I wasn't responding to what Jesus may have said, I was responding to what she said; and she said nothing about goals.
     
  10. Kevin Snow

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    Meh
     
  11. Ken-1122

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    What does "Meh" mean?
     
  12. Kevin Snow

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    It's onomatopoeia for indifference.
     
  13. Ken-1122

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    I was actually kinda hoping to get a response from her.
     
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