No deal BREXIT looms

[Nithavela]

Theresa May has just suffered the biggest parliamentary defeat in British parliamentary history on her governments most important bill in modern history.

And guess what she will win a vote of no confidence tomorrow

 

[Goonie]

Yes, yes, laugh it up! From here it feels more like root canal surgery san anaesthetic.

 

[Nithavela]

Yes, yes, laugh it up! From here it feels more like root canal surgery san anaesthetic.

Thats what makes it funny.

 

[mindlight]

Theresa May has just suffered the biggest parliamentary defeat in British parliamentary history on her governments most important bill in modern history.

And guess what she will win a vote of no confidence tomorrow

Yep cause Corbyn is even more scary than letting her stay on. The real choice now is between a hard Brexit and a second referendum with an option to call the whole thing off if the people want that.

 

[Goonie]

Yep cause Corbyn is even more scary than letting her stay on. The real choice now is between a hard Brexit and a second referendum with an option to call the whole thing off if the people want that.

And May is already ruling out a referendum.

 

[Robban]

Theresa May has just suffered the biggest parliamentary defeat in British parliamentary history on her governments most important bill in modern history.

And guess what she will win a vote of no confidence tomorrow

Overdramatic.

 

[mindlight]

And May is already ruling out a referendum.

Yeh and I guess that the BREXIT wing of her party would oppose that also and regard it as a betrayal if it was put on the table. But given the alternative is now a hard BREXIT it is not infeasible to think of a cross party alliance of MPs proposing a referendum and getting the votes for that despite the official position of the government. It would require a lot of Tory MPs who are in the May camp to defy the whip though to get it through.

1) First we have to get this no confidence motion squashed. Pretty sure that will happen and therefore there will be no general election
2) then we have to fail miserably at an alternative deal being accepted by parliament or even framed by the EU. The only question there is how much time we allocate to futility.
3) then we start talking about the real choices on the table which are HARD Brexit OR Referendum

Time is running out. But I think if a second referendum were on the table which allowed for the British people to reject BREXIT then the EU would have no problem extending the timeline to allow for that referendum to work itself through and for parliament to ratify the result and cancel Article 50.

 

[Goonie]

Yeh and I guess that the BREXIT wing of her party would oppose that also and regard it as a betrayal if it was put on the table. But given the alternative is now a hard BREXIT it is not infeasible to think of a cross party alliance of MPs proposing a referendum and getting the votes for that despite the official position of the government. It would require a lot of Tory MPs who are in the May camp to defy the whip though to get it through.

1) First we have to get this no confidence motion squashed. Pretty sure that will happen and therefore there will be no general election
2) then we have to fail miserably at an alternative deal being accepted by parliament or even framed by the EU. The only question there is how much time we allocate to futility.
3) then we start talking about the real choices on the table which are HARD Brexit OR Referendum

Time is running out. But I think if a second referendum were on the table which allowed for the British people to reject BREXIT then the EU would have no problem extending the timeline to allow for that referendum to work itself through and for parliament to ratify the result and cancel Article 50.

And with Corbyn in charge of Labour, no chance of labour supporting a second referendum. No deal is the only option on the table

 

[mindlight]

Schadenfreude

 

[Nithavela]

 

[Goonie]

I nominate “Doh!” As the UKs new national motto!

 

[mindlight]

I nominate “Doh!” As the UKs new national motto!

That is the working class version. Since it will be the Tories leading Britain into the abyss I think a man in a pinstripe with a public school accent, umbrella and bowler hat waving to those behind him to follow him over the edge with a cry of Tally Ho! would be more appropriate. Did I just describe Jeremy Rees-Mog or was it a smart version of Boris!?

 

[Francis Drake]

Theresa May has just suffered the biggest parliamentary defeat in British parliamentary history on her governments most important bill in modern history.

And guess what she will win a vote of no confidence tomorrow

She thoroughly deserved to be defeated.
But she'll win the confidence vote because nobody wants that clown Corbyn anywhere near the levers of power.

 

[lismore]

A compromise deal that's not really out or and not really in, did anyone, Brexiters or Remainers vote for this?

We'll still have to accept some EU rules but will have no representation in making them. The worst of both worlds.

Does anyone else think TM must go? She lost the vote but has no other plan, here we go again. More votes until they accept her deal.

God Bless

 

[Goonie]

A compromise deal that's not really out or and not really in, did anyone, Brexiters or Remainers vote for this?

We'll still have to accept some EU rules but will have no representation in making them. The worst of both worlds.

Does anyone else think TM must go?

God Bless

Did anybody vote for a third of businesses to moveor consider leaving the UK? How about the potential doubling in cost of food? How about a 30 year recession any body vote for that?

Its hard to tell the difference between Brexit and Economic Terrorism.

 

[lismore]

Did anybody vote for a third of businesses to moveor consider leaving the UK? How about the potential doubling in cost of food? How about a 30 year recession any body vote for that?

I would say that many Brexiters did indeed vote for that, if it was the price of 'regaining control', perhaps even the whole 17.4 million.

But it seems we're heading towards a scenario that the 52% did not vote for, nor indeed the 48%. A compromise half in half out deal.

God Bless

 

[Goonie]

I would say that many Brexiters did indeed vote for that, if it was the price of 'regaining control', perhaps even the whole 17.4 million.

But it seems we're heading towards a scenario that the 52% did not vote for, nor indeed the 48%. A compromise half in half out deal.

God Bless

‘Regaining control’. ‘Will of the people’. Always wary of slogans. The fact is that you will gain no control, Moggs, Johnson and Co will be in control and they will be signing up to a truly awful trade deal with the US. Say goodbye to job security, employment rights and the nhs, and the environment.

Pyrrhic victory is the best way to describe the situation.

 

[mindlight]

I would say that many Brexiters did indeed vote for that, if it was the price of 'regaining control', perhaps even the whole 17.4 million.

But it seems we're heading towards a scenario that the 52% did not vote for, nor indeed the 48%. A compromise half in half out deal.

God Bless

I agree, you either do BREXIT properly, purposefully and mindful of the seismic changes it entails or you do not do it all. Since the former seems unlikely we should call the whole thing off

 

[mindlight]

‘Regaining control’. ‘Will of the people’. Always wary of slogans. The fact is that you will gain no control, Moggs, Johnson and Co will be in control and they will be signing up to a truly awful trade deal with the US. Say goodbye to job security, employment rights and the nhs, and the environment.

Pyrrhic victory is the best way to describe the situation.

With faith and hope I believe whatever we do will work out. But for Brexit to work requires leadership not muddle, compromise and confusion and I fear a post BREXIT world with Corbyn as PM. If Brexit is a disaster or even if just costly in the short term it could let in a Corbyn government at the next election and that would be an even bigger disaster

 

[lismore]

I agree, you either do BREXIT properly, purposefully and mindful of the seismic changes it entails or you do not do it all. Since the former seems unlikely we should call the whole thing off

Hello mindlight. Indeed, I have seen a couple of comments from Brexiters on Social Media and one on Question Time saying that even Membership of the EU was a superior deal to TM's. In her deal we have to take many of the Eu rules but have no input in making them. Surely this could not be what anyone voted for? Kind Regards