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No, China is not paying U.S. farmers $16B through tariffs

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by tulc, Aug 19, 2019.

  1. tulc

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    No, China is not paying U.S. farmers $16B through tariffs
    tulc(just one of the 247 falses of President Trump) :wave:
     
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    Majority of the farmers here don't really care what fund the farm aid is coming from. Heck, most of them haven't even decided where they will sell the crops yet. Listening to them it sounds like most of them wait until it's time to harvest, and then sell to the higher recipient. Some recipients have already started to line up.

    The farmers here seem to care MORE about the farmers in certain areas that didn't get to plant most of their fields this year due to rain. Most of them have insurance for that, but not all of them. That is what their bigger concern is - compared to the tariff issue.

    I find it funny at times when I hear this stuff, and the people it effects the most don't even pay attention it.
     
  4. tulc

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    ...who said he was going to have a "next term"? :scratch:
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  5. tulc

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    Kind of makes you wonder what sort of person would lie about something the people affected by it apparently don't care about. :sorry:
    tulc(just something to think about) :wave:
     
  6. JackRT

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    Any tariffs that the USA has collected on Chinese imports have been collected from US customers who were willing to pay extra for that product. Without those tariffs those US farmers would still have a customer for their produce and the customers would not have had to pay extra. Who suffers? The USA farmer and the USA consumer. Who benefits? ...................... well, er, ah, dang! I can't think of anyone. Trade wars are easy to win.
     
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    Wait! Who won? It was the USA corporations who sent those jobs overseas to lower their production costs so that they could sell the same goods back to Americans. Who lost? The American worker. Who won? The CEO who just gave himself a hefty bonus .
     
  8. jgarden

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    No, China is not paying U.S. farmers $16B through tariffs

    This President's repeated claims that its China that will pay for the tariffs places America in a "lose/lose scenario!"

    EITHER there is the frightening prospect that American trade policy is being formulated by a President who is wilfully "clueless" when it comes to implementing tariff policies OR he thinks that he can merely lie once again to the American public based on the assumption that they are too stupid to understand the issue!

    Either way, the White House is operating like a "banana republic" whereby the public and media are expected to suspend their abilities to think critically and accept the divinely inspired words of this self-described "stable genius" without question!
     
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  9. Mountainmanbob

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    When this (little trade war) is over
    the US will come out way ahead.

    Trump and China are probably working together so as to drag this thing out so to be closer to Trump's reelection time.

    I remember when Obama told Putin that things would be smoother between them once he was reelected. (or something like that?)
    M-Bob
     
  10. tulc

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    ...so he's stringing the situation along, costing businesses and farmers millions of dollars all so he can get reelected? :scratch:
    tulc(if M-Bob says so) :wave:
     
  11. FreeinChrist

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    Who are they selling to? And at what price?
    Farm bankruptcies are up. China use to buy $19 billion in agricultural products every year - and now they stopped.


    'Trump is ruining our markets': Struggling farmers are losing a huge customer to the trade war — China
    U.S. farmers lost one of their biggest customers after China officially cancelled all purchases of U.S. agricultural products, a retaliatory move following President Donald Trump’s pledge to slap 10% tariffs on $300 billion of Chinese imports.

    China’s exit piles on to a devastating year for farmers, who have struggled through record flooding and an extreme heat wave that destroyed crop yields, and trade war escalations that have lowered prices and profits this year.


    “It’s really, really getting bad out here,” said Bob Kuylen, who’s farmed for 35 years in North Dakota.

    “Trump is ruining our markets. No one is buying our product no more, and we have no markets no more.”​


    As bankruptcies rise, Montana farmers bruised by Trump's trade actions

    Generally, the agriculture industry in Montana is hurting. Wheat and cattle prices are down, bankruptcies are up, and industry leaders worry the uncertainty will lead the next generation to turn away from family farms and ranches.

    Raska said the effect of President Donald Trump’s administration’s decision to pull out of the Obama-era Trans-Pacific Partnership has had a negative effect on Montana farmers. That's because countries like Japan and Canada now have trade agreements that cut out American wheat growers. Also, Trump’s tariffs on imported goods from countries like China have caused them to look elsewhere for grain rather than buying high-quality Montana wheat and/or put retaliatory tariffs on U.S. agricultural products......

    'Trump is ruining our markets': Struggling farmers are losing a huge customer to the trade war — China

     
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    And where will the US be economically compared to where we were before the trade wars started? Most likely, worse.
     
  14. Yekcidmij

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    What's funny is the democratic nominee could legitimately put a gigantic tax cut in their platform by promising to remove the tariffs. They could then say they were going to remove those taxes and stimulate the economy unlike the big-government, big-tax Republicans.
     
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