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Featured New Zealand/gun ban

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by DZoolander, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. DZoolander

    DZoolander Persnickety Member

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    Well the people who sell the product have done a really good job of selling a bizarre mixture of fear and patriotism into a decent segment of the population
     
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  2. DZoolander

    DZoolander Persnickety Member

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    I’m still curious as to what the one poster above considers to be a strict gun law
     
  3. Kaon

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    This is the wrong question.


    Why are the gun laws on the books going unenforced as is?

    If the persons who are committing these acts are not breaking the law, then ask why adding more law would stop someone who acted within the law up to the point of the act.

    A better question than any aforementioned would be how can these act increase in frequency when the collective world has volunteered to sacrifice much of their sovereignty for the promise of more security and peace. That is why people choose to allow themselves to be remotely monitored by every digital device they own, share their information for the purposes of eliminating threats, and suffer a intrusion of space and orifice in the same of security, right? Or, are they being abdicated because of the comforts afforded to the public (e.g. technology/gadgets)?

    The problem is fundamental. Behaving as we always have is what children do. The terrorists won in 9/11 against America: it is a police state that the public begged for in the name of confidence. All I am asking is for people to stop making the same mistakes as our fathers in the past. This has all happened before in some fashion. The exploitation of psychology is nothing new.
     
  4. DZoolander

    DZoolander Persnickety Member

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    Well the answer as to why they’re unenforced is actually a complicated one...not without political influence by those who oppose any kind of gun control at all.

    But i am genuinely curious. You said we have plenty of strict gun control laws that go unenforced. Can you give me an example of what you consider to be a strict gun control law - enforced or not?
     
  5. Kaon

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    I said that there are plenty of laws that go unenforced, and implied that stricter laws are meaningless when the laws already on the books go unenforced. The modifier was comparative. It would be a distraction to discuss the philosophy of "strict" gun laws, but it would not be a philosophical non-sequetor to say that laws implemented that are harsher/more restrictive than previous laws would be considered stricter.

    However, there comes a time when one has to look beyond the stimuli and see the truth. How many times do shootings happen, and the first thing suggested is stricter gun laws - even if there are many laws already?



    You are still asking the wrong questions. You should be asking why gun control is the go-to answer for mass shootings - out of all possible solutions. You understand the amount of surveillance that happens in most Western nations? Why give up most of your liberties if all of that doesn't produce enough result to capture the same types of people that could have done the same acts before?

    As I said, what is going on is a psychosis; the bigger picture is in plain sight and rejected by dubiety.
     
  6. DZoolander

    DZoolander Persnickety Member

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    Because when you do a horrible job of screening people before giving them access to weapons that can kill large numbers of people in short shrift - it stands to reason maybe you ought look at that.

    And we do a horrible job of that. And I know of no law - enforced or not - that attempts to address that glaring issue. Every law I know of is either about removing the weapon (which will go nowhere) - or requires some sort of proof of proficiency - or some wait period. That’s it.
     
  7. DZoolander

    DZoolander Persnickety Member

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    And the convicted felon thing - which incidentally the nra is trying to overturn lol
     
  8. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Public confidence is a big deal when governing, so a good point there.
     
  9. Philip_B

    Philip_B Let all mortal flesh keep silence ... Supporter

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    Firearms Licences - NSW Police Public Site

    This is the link to the NSW Australian Police site in relation to firearms licences.

    In NSW any person seeking to possess and use a firearm must be authorised by way of a licence or permit.

    All persons wishing to obtain a firearms licence in NSW must have a genuine reason for obtaining the licence and must meet a range of legislative requirements relating to that genuine reason.

    FACT Sheet - Information on Obtaining a Firearms Licence in NSW (PDF)

    FACT Sheet - Licence Category and Genuine Reason Table (PDF)

    Licence holders are only authorised to possess and use the category of firearm for which the licence has been issued and the firearm may only be used for the purpose established as being the genuine reason for holding the firearms licence.​
     
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  10. Kaon

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    The first step would be to revamp the screening process. Why jump straight to guns? People who break the law break the law; criminals will find a way to do what they want no matter how many laws are on the books. It isn't about law.

    Well, that is because the psychology on guns has been polar - and in one dimension: it's either 'Merica, or commie. The very foundation of the 2nd amendment is a complex issue, which is why one shouldn't jump to "gun laws" as a solution when crimes happen involving guns. Do we do this for knives or fists? Do we do this for vehicles?

    We have to start thinking from objectivity rather than emotion and "logic". The logic you were taught may not be the logic in current play - which means at best you would have to consider your entire world upside down to keep up. The paradigms of the current age are usually the ones that imprison people - until the paradigm changes because people can no longer be held by the previous paradigm. This is a historic cycle. It wouldn't be cyclic if we learned from our mistakes, and stopped persecuting/murdering/ignoring people who have the audacity to challenge the status quo.
     
  11. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    solution - DONT GIVE A GUN TO AN AUSTRALIAN in NZ


    ok ok ok im joking lol
     
  12. Darkhorse

    Darkhorse just horsing around

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    Really? Where did you get this idea?
     
  13. Gigimo

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    Do you really want to know? :doh:
     
  14. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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    Tarrant, wherever he is, must be dancing for joy that the aims and ambitions of his manifesto are coming to pass so quickly.
     
  15. Philip_B

    Philip_B Let all mortal flesh keep silence ... Supporter

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  16. Darkhorse

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    Yes, I do. I want documentation also.
     
  17. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    Really hard to do with a single or dual shot bolt action or a shotgun.
     
  18. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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  19. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    He already said in his manifesto that he used a gun to increase the tensions of the left and right in the US. The fact we're having these conversations/debates and he considered using bombs, cars, and planes to inflict mass casualties means he won...he did the very thing he set out to do: Divide us more.

    Criminals dont care about gun laws. Gun laws do nothing to stop violence. Gun laws are the cobra effect.

    Stop focusing on the tool used, and focus on the root causes of why they did it.
     
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  20. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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