New Zealand/gun ban

[Aldebaran]

Yes, and, again, why does anyone need a semiautomatic weapon?

Already answered by me in posts 210 and 236. Nothing has changed since then.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

But guns make it so much easier.

Reminds me of the story about the passionate old Christian lady who was accosted on the street by a mugger. She said at him in a loud voice: "Acts 2"38!" The mugger got frightened and ran away down the street. He was caught by the police, and they asked him why did he take fright and run away from a defenceless old lady? He said, "Because she told me she has an axe and 2 .38s!

 

[Aldebaran]

So, a bolt-action rifle cannot be used for self defense?

It can be if the defense situation can be handled with one shot and you know you won't miss. Not wise to count on that being the case.

 

[Archivist]

Already answered by me in posts 210 and 236. Nothing has changed since then.

No, Post 210 is discussing handguns. Post 236 is discussing shotguns. Neither mentions bolt-action rifles.

 

[Archivist]

It can be if the defense situation can be handled with one shot and you know you won't miss. Not wise to count on that being the case.

I don't think my grandfather would have missed, and he would have reloaded if he had.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, Post 210 is discussing handguns. Post 236 is discussing shotguns. Neither mentions bolt-action rifles.

But it does explain why someone would need a semi auto versus a bolt action.

 

[Aldebaran]

I don't think my grandfather would have missed, and he would have reloaded if he had.

Are you talking about hunting again? If so, then it would be safe enough to count on a reload, although the animal he missed may very well have run away and be long gone after being frightened by the first missed shot. A semiauto allows for faster follow-up shots as needed.
If you're talking about a defense situation, there will most likely be no time for reloading after each miss. Plus, you'd have to hope your attacker will have to reload if he shoots at you and misses.

 

[Gigimo]

People have hunted with semi automatic rifles/shotguns/pistols for over 100 years but for some reason it wasn't an issue/big thing until it became an emotional political talking point, go figure.

 

[Archivist]

But it does explain why someone would need a semi auto versus a bolt action.

But you said that they addressed bolt-action guns. They did not.

 

[Archivist]

Are you talking about hunting again? If so, then it would be safe enough to count on a reload, although the animal he missed may very well have run away and be long gone after being frightened by the first missed shot. A semiauto allows for faster follow-up shots as needed.
If you're talking about a defense situation, there will most likely be no time for reloading after each miss. Plus, you'd have to hope your attacker will have to reload if he shoots at you and misses.

You aren’t getting my point—my grandfather was a WWI sharpshooter. He rarely if ever missed.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

That might be justified if trams were regularly used as weapons in mass murders.

Well, criminals could have their wrists slapped with a wet tram ticket!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

You aren’t getting my point—my grandfather was a WWI sharpshooter. He rarely if ever missed.

So he wasn't in the same position as the unsuccessful Scottish hunter who went out into the fog and mist!

 

[SkyWriting]

Why worry about whether rocket man gets a nuke? Nukes don’t kill people, people kill people!

Spoons and forks cause obesity.

The US has had Nukes for many decades but we are too fat to use anymore?

 

[Gigimo]

There is no nation in the planet that requires you have a gun in your house.

But there are some towns/cities in the US that do.

 

[JacksBratt]

There is no nation in the planet that requires you have a gun in your house.

I think it was Sweden.. Maybe not required but highly likely.

 

[Archivist]

But there are some towns/cities in the US that do.

My understanding is that while some places have such ordinances on the books they are rarely if ever enforced.

 

[Gigimo]

My understanding is that while some places have such ordinances on the books they are rarely if ever enforced.

That may well be true but the law is on the books and as some folks like to claim/think that just because there is a law on something it has to/will be followed to the letter and it will stop people from doing bad things.

Not...

 

[JacksBratt]

That may well be true but the law is on the books and as some folks like to claim/think that just because there is a law on something it has to/will be followed to the letter and it will stop people from doing bad things.

Not...

The US constitution purposefully put the second amendment in the document so that the Nation of the USA could never have a government, or other country, that could take advantage and suppress the people of that country, by force, without resistance.

The people of the US in it's infancy had just separated from England and were making a new country. They did it by force because that's the way it is done.. No country gives up without trying military action to stop the separation.

Today, in a world where "New World Government" is commonplace... why do you think that the powers that be would want to try to remove firearms from the US?

To protect it's civilians from themselves? Hardly.....

No, it's so that when, not if but when, the government wants to start to oppress the people.. they will have no way to fight back.

I don't care if it's Canada or the US... people should always be allowed to have firearms.....

The US put it in their legal constitution. If that is ever overturned.. be prepared for civil war II.

 

[Archivist]

That may well be true but the law is on the books and as some folks like to claim/think that just because there is a law on something it has to/will be followed to the letter and it will stop people from doing bad things.

Not...

Salt Lake City has an ordinance that allows Santa to fly over the city at low altitudes on Christmas Eve, but I don’t know that he does.

 

[Aldebaran]

But you said that they addressed bolt-action guns. They did not.

Ok, what about bolt action guns do you want addressed, concerning either hunting or self defense?