New York Mosque? Near ground Zero?!!

[Philip22]

I know that this may not be directly christian ,I geuss it is a matter of perspective. But I just wanted to comment and hear what other people had to say.

First , Why are we even debating this? It is so simple , don't let them build there mosque near the 911 site and you want to know why I say that . First the developer and associates are very much anti - american. anti USA . So why should we bend over for these losers? I think that should be a good enough reason right there.

Secondly, a church that was destroyed at ground zero requested to rebuild at the same area and they were denied so why is it okay for a mosque to be build near by when a christian church is rejected , one that was there before. That to me doent make sense.

Thirdly , I am so sick of hearing people run there mouths about tolerance. And what point are we going to say enough is enough ... we refuse to be your doormat anylonger, just because we are afraid we might offend some minority group. And alot of minority/ethnic groups take advantage of this mindset.

 

[callmeMurph]

As long as it is legal, and as far I know it is, I see no problem with it.

If everyone is so against them building a mosque there then maybe you should get enough money to buy the building and turn it into a church.

 

[the.Sheepdog]

The moslems already have an option for that property. Throughout history it has been normal for the conquering moslem army to build a Mosque as a marker of the conquest.

Since their is no local muslim community in that financial district to go to that mosque, thats what it is about. Sticking it in the face of the USA

 

[Yarddog]

First , Why are we even debating this? It is so simple , don't let them build there mosque near the 911 site and you want to know why I say that . First the developer and associates are very much anti - american. anti USA . So why should we bend over for these losers? I think that should be a good enough reason right there.

First of all, those wanting to build there are not anti-American. Everything that they have written and said show that they love America, just not what America has done in some cases. They have a valid point which we should listen to.

Secondly, a church that was destroyed at ground zero requested to rebuild at the same area and they were denied so why is it okay for a mosque to be build near by when a christian church is rejected , one that was there before. That to me doent make sense.

It doesn't make sense to me why New Yorkers haven't protested the denial for rebuilding St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church as much as they have protested against the mosque.

Thirdly , I am so sick of hearing people run there mouths about tolerance. And what point are we going to say enough is enough ... we refuse to be your doormat anylonger, just because we are afraid we might offend some minority group. And alot of minority/ethnic groups take advantage of this mindset.

I personally hope that the Muslims will concede and move the Community Center further away, but what I am sick of hearing are those people who want to parade their ideology of the Constitution and then not stand up for the Muslims right to build there.(This does not include you, because you haven't done that but media sources like Fox and far right republicans, it does.)

 

[kiwimac]

The moslems already have an option for that property. Throughout history it has been normal for the conquering moslem army to build a Mosque as a marker of the conquest.

Since their is no local muslim community in that financial district to go to that mosque, thats what it is about. Sticking it in the face of the USA

Rot!

 

[callmeMurph]

The moslems already have an option for that property. Throughout history it has been normal for the conquering moslem army to build a Mosque as a marker of the conquest.

Since their is no local muslim community in that financial district to go to that mosque

Interesting, I was there a few weeks ago and they were so good at conquering that I didn't even notice.

...thats what it is about. Sticking it in the face of the USA

I'm sure American Muslims feel the same way....

We were attacked by terrorists who were Muslim extremists. Timothy McVeigh's parents were Catholic so by the same logic we shouldn't allow Catholic churches in Oklahoma City.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Philip

Secondly, a church that was destroyed at ground zero requested to rebuild at the same area and they were denied so why is it okay for a mosque to be build near by when a christian church is rejected , one that was there before. That to me doent make sense.

The location of St Nicholas Orthodox Church is on the exact land that the Port Authority plans to build the memorial park dedicated to the 9/11 victims.

The Orthodox Church had reached an agreement with the Port Authority, to rebuild the church at a new location near but not on ground zero.

The port authority agreed to pay $60 million to the Orthodox so they could rebuild. However, the Orthodox made new demands including wanting $20 million up front and so the deal fell through.

This had nothing to do with not wanting a Christian Church in the area, but it was about money. There is no comparison to the proposed Islamic Cultural Center which will be paid for with private donations.

Jim

 

[Cabal]

First , Why are we even debating this? It is so simple

Hey guys, halt all discussions about silly things like what freedoms are outlined in the constitution and the whole notion of ownership! According to some guy on the internet, it's so simple!

You saved us a lot of work

 

[revanneosl]

Hey guys, halt all discussions about silly things like what freedoms are outlined in the constitution and the whole notion of ownership! According to some guy on the internet, it's so simple!

You saved us a lot of work

Whew! Back to watching reruns of Law & Order then? Good.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Yeah no one is running over all us Christians and our rights - at least if we listen to the liberals. oops
Religious Freedom, Property Rights vs. Government Control | Right Wing News

Where are the libs defending this family's constitutional rights on their own family property?

 

[kiwimac]

Oh please! Like the two are in any way comparable.

 

[Yarddog]

Yeah no one is running over all us Christians and our rights - at least if we listen to the liberals. oops
Religious Freedom, Property Rights vs. Government Control | Right Wing News

Where are the libs defending this family's constitutional rights on their own family property?

Where are the conservatives? Just because a right wing publication picked up the news report does not mean that the right wing is helping them. We don't even know for if the people wanting the cross removed are left or right? They are some of his neighbors.

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

Whew! Back to watching reruns of Law & Order then? Good.

I love Lenny and Sam.

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

Where are the conservatives? Just because a right wing publication picked up the news report does not mean that the right wing is helping them. We don't even know for if the people wanting the cross removed are left or right? They are some of his neighbors.

I followed that story, and it seems the particular neighbor might have been a little jealous over the fact that the couple earned more than half a million dollars in 13-15 years fostering kids.
When they first built the church it appeared to the guy as an act of love, but he later found out that the OWNER is not God, but them, and the church was basically a for profit business when it started taking in donations.

There is a way deeper discussion that needs to take place irt reaping the tithes unto ourselves, and then profiting from the Word of God.

 

[Yarddog]

I followed that story, and it seems the particular neighbor might have been a little jealous over the fact that the couple earned more than half a million dollars in 13-15 years fostering kids.
When they first built the church it appeared to the guy as an act of love, but he later found out that the OWNER is not God, but them, and the church was basically a for profit business when it started taking in donations.

There is a way deeper discussion that needs to take place irt reaping the tithes unto ourselves, and then profiting from the Word of God.

Thanks for the deeper info and this illustrates what I have been trying to get through to some of these posters, "Don't believe what you read in the media or internet without checking for the facts first."

Thanks again.

 

[The Lady Kate]

Yeah no one is running over all us Christians and our rights - at least if we listen to the liberals. oops
Religious Freedom, Property Rights vs. Government Control | Right Wing News

Where are the libs defending this family's constitutional rights on their own family property?

Where are the Conservatives solving this problem? Oh, right... they're the ones who caused it!

From your own article: "The regulations in question, Vermont Act 250, is a law written in the 1960s meant to stop out-of-state "hippies" from buying local property and pitching tent cities there creating eyesores and sanitation hazards. The regulation requires landowners to get land use permits before construction."

Looks to me like a case of Conservative legislative bigotry coming back to bite them... as ye sow, so shall ye reap.

 

[brinny]

The moslems already have an option for that property. Throughout history it has been normal for the conquering moslem army to build a Mosque as a marker of the conquest.

Since their is no local muslim community in that financial district to go to that mosque, thats what it is about. Sticking it in the face of the USA

Exactly.

 

[kiwimac]

Heiferdust

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Where are the conservatives? Just because a right wing publication picked up the news report does not mean that the right wing is helping them. We don't even know for if the people wanting the cross removed are left or right? They are some of his neighbors.

The point is the liberals run mainstream media. Claims have been made here that Christians individual rights are not being trashed when that is simply not true. What is true is that these stories of abusing Christians rights do not get heard. NO ONE hears about Christians rights being trampled because the liberal media either does not run the story or burys it. The mosque gets page 1.

The claim is made by the liberals that this is America and we are tolerant and therefore should support this mosque. Yet they are unwilling to apply the same priniciple in defense of a family wanting to have a cross on their own property.

 

[Yarddog]

The point is the liberals run mainstream media.

That is not true. There are both liberal and conservative media stations with apolitical stations.

Claims have been made here that Christians individual rights are not being trashed when that is simply not true.

No one's right are being trashed in the NY Mosque issue, at least not yet. The people protesting have that right. The people backing the mosque have that right. The Muslims have the right to build and the Muslims not wanting it built the right to their beliefs.

Christians individual rights are not being trashed on this issue.

What is true is that these stories of abusing Christians rights do not get heard. NO ONE hears about Christians rights being trampled because the liberal media either does not run the story or burys it. The mosque gets page 1.

You are only showing the extreme prejudicism which prevails in the far right and left. I read stories which report supposed and real items all the time. What you need to do is stop believing all those right wing media sources which don't mind lying to their listeners.

The claim is made by the liberals that this is America and we are tolerant and therefore should support this mosque. Yet they are unwilling to apply the same priniciple in defense of a family wanting to have a cross on their own property.

There you go whining about something which I have asked you to prove your side on. Show me where the conservatives are helping them. All we have right now are this couple helping themselves. They got the lawyer. Where is the right wing stepping in and paying for that?

Is the couple right wing or left wing or are they just a couple with a cross in their yard which neighbors want removed? You need to ask yourself what makes you believe that someone is out to get this couple.

Ask yourself why the republican governor hasn't come to their rescue. Why the democratic Senator hasn't not the Independent. They may now that the news is out there and they want head lines.

This most likely isn't about Christianity at all, but instead about a cross which the neighbors want removed.