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Featured New Testament Promises of Israel’s Restoration

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Biblewriter, Dec 25, 2017.

  1. jgr

    jgr Well-Known Member Supporter

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    No problem when you're the chosen.

    From Market Ticker :

    The shining light of democracy in the Middle East eh?

    "Even though Davidson belongs to the officially recognized Orthodox stream of Judaism, he is among a growing cohort of Jewish groups running afoul of the law by performing weddings without the rabbinate’s sanction. Critics like Davidson believe the rabbinate has grown too strict in its interpretation of religious law, making it unnecessarily difficult for Jewish couples to marry."

    See, it's illegal (under Israeli law) to get married without the rabbinate's sanction. Which means both parties must be Jewish according to their interpretation.

    This, of course, has a perfectly-reasonable justification: It's demographics, you see, and Israel is very concerned about that.

    Suppressing non-Jewish people from procreating and possibly causing citizens to show up that are not Jewish is a major problem. It's racist, of course, but racism as long as you're Jewish is ok with the US when it comes to Israel -- both in terms of foreign policy and among Americans.

    Right?

    Remember that America once had those laws too. Marriage licenses first arose to prevent the "wrong" people from marrying. Prior to such laws you posted your banns on the church door; no "official" permission required. Marriage laws in the US were instituted in large part to prevent black and white people from marrying each other. Racisim, in other words, officially ensconced in the law. It wasn't that long ago that many county clerks still enforced same even though it was roundly illegal to do so.

    Indeed the latest round of this has taken place when it comes to same-sex marriage, in exactly the same way.

    Why is Israel concerned about this? What happens to their "Jewish State" when 50.1% of the voters aren't Jewish?

    Now it makes sense, doesn't it?

    We have no right to tell a sovereign nation how to conduct its own internal affairs. But I refuse to give cover to and ignore those who are bigots, and the Israelis quite-clearly are guilty of exactly what they accuse others of.
     
  2. Biblewriter

    Biblewriter Senior Member Supporter

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    You are willfully ignoring the fact that the scriptures clearly forbade the Jews to marry gentiles.
     
  3. BABerean2

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    Rth_4:13 So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.


    Mat 1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

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  4. jgr

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    They forbade believers marrying unbelievers.
     
  5. claninja

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    Yes, but not all Israelites, according to the flesh, are Israel
    Romans 9:6-8
    is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”a 8So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring

    It is ONLY THE REMNANT of Israel that was chosen by the grace of God that was saved.

    Romans 9:27
    27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea,
    ONLY the remnant will be saved.

    The remnant of Israel was not saved all at once, but over many years.
    Acts 2:41
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    Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.
    Acts 9:3-4
    As Saul drew near to Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?”
    Acts 28:23-24
    they set a day to meet with Paul, and many people came to the place he was staying. He expounded to them from morning to evening, testifying about the kingdom of God and persuading them about Jesus from the Law of Moses and the Prophets. Some of them were convinced by what he said, but others refused to believe.

    By the time of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies, as prophesied in the OT and by Christ, ALL of remnant Israel was saved, and thereby ALL Israel saved, as those not of the remnant are not Israel.

    This is clearly seen through Romans 11-9


    1.) Only the remnant of Israel is saved
    Romans 9:27
    Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea,
    ONLY the remnant will be saved.
    2.) Not all of Israel is Israel
    Romans 9:6
    It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
    3.) All Israel saved.
    Romans 11:26
    And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written
     
  6. claninja

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    You also have to compare the trampling of Jerusalem by gentiles to revelation.

    According to revelation, the trampling of Jerusalem would only last 42 months

    but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the gentiles, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.
    Revelation 11:2
     
  7. Biblewriter

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    You are ignoring most of what the Bible says abut this.
     
  8. claninja

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    Not sure what you mean by this. Was just including this verse, as you left it out of your gentiles trampling Jerusalem topic
     
  9. Biblewriter

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    MY comment was aimed at Preterism in general, as it simply ignores the very many scriptures that explicitly state that a time will come when absolutely all of the nation of Israel will be restored to its ancient homeland.

    The trampling was to BEGIN at the time Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed, not END at that time. And the 42 months mentioned in the Revelation refer to a future period, not a past one.
     
  10. keras

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    The question, then is: Who is the true Israel of God? The 'nation' that Jesus said would be the one that bears the proper fruit? Matthew 21:43

    The unscriptural nonsense that ethnic Israelis are all going to be saved and redeemed, is just another lie on top of the rapture to heaven lie, in order to make it work.
    People look at Zechariah 12 and think the House of Judah will survive intact thru tribulation. But verse 14 mentions only the remaining families, the survivors, as clearly told us in Zechariah 13:7-9, those who truly believe and who accept Jesus as their Messiah. They will join their Christian brethren in all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 49:4-5
     
  11. Biblewriter

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    The entire nation of Israel at the time when this promise is fulfilled, will not only be severely reduced in size by the tribulation, during which time 2/3 of all the inhabitants of the land will be killed. It will again be severely reduced by the judgments of God which will take place at the time of His coming. It is only after all this, that the entire nation will be settled in the land, and then shall every one of them be called holy.

    Rather than being an opinion based on interpretation, all of this is explicitly stated in scripture.
     
  12. BABerean2

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    Abraham does not desire to return to Canaan land.

    Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

    Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.



    The woman at the well agrees with you.
    However, Christ corrected her in the passage below.


    Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

    Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.


    Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

    Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


     
  13. keras

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    You fail to answer my question; Who is the true Israel of God?
    Also the vast multitude seen in Jerusalem, Revelation 7:9, are far more than just Jews. Do not think, as many do, that they are in heaven; the Bible does not say that. If you do, then it is you that has an opinion based on interpretation, believing a falsehood that is not explicitly stated in scripture.

    BaB, your stuck recordings, cut and pastes, do become rather tiresome.
    Jesus and Paul teach that for the Church age, all the faithful Christian believers are the spiritual Temple and earthly dwelling place of the holy Spirit.
    This truth does not preclude a future return to the holy Land by a people who will be called the sons of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26
    In fact, if this does not happen, then the plans and purposes of God will have failed.
     
  14. jgr

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    Here's who Israel is:

    Abraham lineage

    DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

    Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

    Ultimately every inhabitant of planet earth. That will be quite some carnage. How will it get cleaned up in time for the millennium?
     
  15. claninja

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    So do you believe the trampling has not occurred yet, or do you believe in 2 different tramplings?

    Also, do you believe the heavenly Jerusalem can be trampled by gentiles? Because that is the one we all seek, not physical, earthly Jerusalem that is cast out never to receive inheritance.

    Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”
    Galatians 4:25-26, 30
     
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  16. claninja

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    Only the remnant of Israel is saved:

    And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved,
    Romans 9:27

    All ethnic israel is saved by saving only the ethnic remnant, as only the ethnic remnant saved by the grace of God is true Israel.

    But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,
    Romans 9:6
     
  17. Biblewriter

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    The earthly Jerusalem began to be trampled by the gentiles when it was conquored in 70 A.D. That trampling continues to this day, and will continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.
     
  18. BABerean2

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    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
    Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled....................................

    Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
    Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

    The times of the Gentiles ends at the future Second Coming of Christ, based on Luke 21:20-28.

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  19. he-man

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    Well, that is a good start. How about "these all died in the faith, not yet having received the promises but seeing it afar off? And that only a few will be saved, not all those from the past? As in the case of Noah, only 8 souls were saved.
     
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  20. BABerean2

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    I do apologize for that, Brother.

    However, we have new people here on a regular basis, who have never heard it before.

    I promise to be patient with what you may have posted before.

    70 x 7


    Based on what Jesus told the woman at the well about not worshiping in Jerusalem and Hebrews 11:15-16, I have no future plans to visit the middle east on this rotten, sin-cursed word.
    I am looking for the same heavenly city that Abraham is now looking for.
    I hope you will forgive me for this.

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