New Secular West, Dictatorships

[GoldenKingGaze]

It seems that politicians find secularism more appealing than traditional thinking, so if possible to remove religion from orderly problem solving as ideal. And this in government and then through the educations system. Like enforcing a new wave of culture, condescending against Christians and religious. They see religion as antiquated and inferior philosophy. Religous can examine themselves and revise...

It seems many young people think the secular century was really not at peace because of the supposed religiously motivated wars, WW1 and WW2 and the cold war.

Atheists and maybe agnostics take up secularism. And when they turn away from church and such, they seem to find Neo Nazi or Communist ideas attractive. Abortion, euthanasia, eugenics, banning the Bible or defaming it. Banning prayer and preaching. Social equality, now other equality.

It seems the secularists may want to end free speech. Thus creating a condescending crush of the will of the majority, or in some places even a small minority, which is not democratic.

I am against the possible western dictatorship of secularists. I don't like their lack of morals and their sense of superiority and condescension to force change society and perhaps silence opposition parties and other democratic powers.

I think among religious, especially Christians that the best and brightest philosophies are to be found, with the best good will, and respect of human rights and freedoms.

The press focuses on squabbles, people who do not want to bake cakes for conscience and people who want to use the other gender toilets and such nonsense. Politicians secular or religious can solve these disputes with sound policies, rather than take sides.

 

[PeterDona]

I was used to telling my students in secondary school that I am a christian (when relevant situations happened), and I was corrected by the headmaster that this was a secular school, and that I was not allowed to say a word about my faith. Cannot say honestly that I stopped talking about my faith, because his demands were really quite far going, even if the school at its foundation statement was a secular school. For many "secular" simply means something like democratic, and that was the attitude of colleague teachers, amongst whom I have a good name, and they expressed sentiments against restricting free speech too far in the classroom, as long as I did not preach.

 

[Tull]

God created all and all is in him "Secular" is when men huddle together thinking they can exclude God while he is watching and working his will anyway.

 

[more4less]

The Sodomites were the liberals during those times. They had thought that having rules caused dictatorship. They were once ruled by a iron rod before Abraham had seized the cities. And so, when Abraham had given back the cities to them, that they created a society without laws (lawless). They feel that they should not be confined to other people patterns. They feel that they can freely choose to do whatever they want without any limitations or borders. And so, if they wanted to come into your homes and do whatever they please to do, that the proprietor of that home will not refuse them access. The hippies during the late 60's and early 70's were like that. They feel as if they want to have sex with their neighbor's mate and some incidents children as well, that the neighbors allowed them to do so. And then later on, in the late 70's and early 80's, that they had Bath-houses, that anyone can come in and have sex with anyone they pleases to do so, These establishments had orgies going on in these Bath-houses. Some of these establishments were secretly having children in them having sex with adults. These children had grown into this lifestyle and see it as a norm. And now they had grown up into becoming lawless adults, and wants to revive the good ole' days.

Religious are those that follows a certain pattern without adjustment. But the ones that are born of the spirit (Christian), are being led by the spirit of God. And which no one knows what is God is up to. And so they doesn't follow any patterns of certain religions because they are not being led by their pastors, but are being led by God. To relent it is to move away from a strict stern pattern, or to have a change of heart, to have compassion.

John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”



2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—

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[Orthodoxjay1]

The Yoke of Secular Humanism in all it forms whatever communist, Libertarian Anarchist, Capitalist, State Socialism, Counterculture, Feminism, etc. will lead to the persecution of Christians, similar to Nazi persecution of the Jews (I.e. - denomination, exclusion from society, antichristian propaganda, stripping of citizenship, etc), and the Soviet system of Persecution (I.e. - Iconoclasm, brainwashing the children to rise up against their Christian parents, land seizures, show trails, treating religion as a mental illness & detaining the faithful in Psychiatric wards, infiltration by the humanists to turn the Church into a social justice rotary type club with no Gospel of traditions of the Church, the Gulag system, etc.) , if we think any politican(including Trump) is going to save us, your wrong. We see this when the state attacks the Sacrament of Marriage, making it a legal contract between two sodomites, we see it when the US Department of Education attacks the Gospel narrative of creation with Darwinian evolution, and the Jesuit inspired Big Bang, we see it when a eugenics program like Planned Parenthood seeks to depopulated the minorities, and call it a "women right" or "family planning", we see it when Religious Liberty initiatives are attacked, not only by certain liberals, but the Big Business wing of the GOP as well, we see it when people are told they are just their to consume, buy, and spend as a part of Materialism, we see it when the Supreme Court takes out Bible & prayer from public schools, we see it when certain individuals within the State Department, as well as certain neocons & Progressives in both parties, support the Arab Spring, and the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, and certain Islamist's persecuting Christians in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq Pakistan, Nigeria, Somalia, etc., we see it when the State Department, and certain people attack Russia over Kitty Riot, and so called "Gay Rights", and also because the Orthodox Church actually influences Russian society, which certain Democrats, Progressives, feminists, neoconservatives, neoliberals, Big business don't want, they want the Orthodox Christians of Russia, and Eastern Europe destroyed! we see it in Africa, when the State Department pushes LGBT imperialism on the people's of Africa, when those folks try to stick to Christian norms on Homosexuality, and Transgenderism, especially the ACNA Conservative Anglicans in that part of the world. Yes Secularism leads to the persecution of the faith, yet all they are doing is creating martyrs for Christ.

 

[CrystalDragon]

To those who said "secularism lacks morals"...

The Old Testament and the "I'd kill people if God told me to" and "If God didn't exist there'd be nothing to stop me from killing/harming anyone" views I've seen from some on this forum would point to the opposite.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

To those who said "secularism lacks morals"...

The Old Testament and the "I'd kill people if God told me to" and "If God didn't exist there'd be nothing to stop me from killing/harming anyone" views I've seen from some on this forum would point to the opposite.

So, the you feel the rough and tumble ones turn to God because they need Him and the secularists don't need God, so they must have better natures?

 

[Orthodoxjay1]

So, the you feel the rough and tumble ones turn to God because they need Him and the secularists don't need God, so they must have better natures?

Funny they want it both ways, they want no morals yet claim better morals, Christianity isn't about morals, whatever one is mean or nice, but about repentance, and living the life of the Church through the sacraments, becoming Christ like through Theosis.

 

[Armoured]

It seems that politicians find secularism more appealing than traditional thinking, so if possible to remove religion from orderly problem solving as ideal. And this in government and then through the educations system. Like enforcing a new wave of culture, condescending against Christians and religious. They see religion as antiquated and inferior philosophy. Religous can examine themselves and revise...

It seems many young people think the secular century was really not at peace because of the supposed religiously motivated wars, WW1 and WW2 and the cold war.

Atheists and maybe agnostics take up secularism. And when they turn away from church and such, they seem to find Neo Nazi or Communist ideas attractive. Abortion, euthanasia, eugenics, banning the Bible or defaming it. Banning prayer and preaching. Social equality, now other equality.

It seems the secularists may want to end free speech. Thus creating a condescending crush of the will of the majority, or in some places even a small minority, which is not democratic.

I am against the possible western dictatorship of secularists. I don't like their lack of morals and their sense of superiority and condescension to force change society and perhaps silence opposition parties and other democratic powers.

I think among religious, especially Christians that the best and brightest philosophies are to be found, with the best good will, and respect of human rights and freedoms.

The press focuses on squabbles, people who do not want to bake cakes for conscience and people who want to use the other gender toilets and such nonsense. Politicians secular or religious can solve these disputes with sound policies, rather than take sides.

Kind of a strawman version of secularism you've got there.

 

[CrystalDragon]

So, the you feel the rough and tumble ones turn to God because they need Him and the secularists don't need God, so they must have better natures?

What I mean by that is that some are saying secularism lacks morals, when the Old Testament had God commanding what we'd consider immoral things (which some here said they'd do), and some claiming that they're only moral because they believe God exists, thus indicating that they feel secularism lacks morals by default and there so reason to be good.