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New Perspective on Paul.

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by Messianic Jewboy, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. Edial

    Edial Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I stand corrected - someone did report. :):sorry:
     
  2. Messianic Jewboy

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    Has any one watched the video yet? A friend and myself have been talking to a rabbi at the Lubavitch house and have been thinking about showing him the video.
     
  3. yonah_mishael

    yonah_mishael הֱיֵה קודם כל בן אדם

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    The problem with reporting is that people get in trouble and suspended. I think we all prefer to handle decorum "in house," so to speak, because we're frustrated with seeing our regular members disappear for months at a time. (Like visionary has now been suspended, and she's regular as cranberry juice on this forum.)
     
  4. Chaplain David

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    While everyone might not agree it would be a lesson from a respectable cleric to get the Rabbi's opinion despite the Rabbi not being MJ. Shalom.
     
  5. Chaplain David

    Chaplain David CF Chaplain Staff Member Chaplain Supporter Recovery Team

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    Reporting can indeed result in CPM's, warnings, infractions, and bans based on a consensus about a a rule violation or violations. But that is often what is needed to get a member's attention who needs to change some things for the better.

    However going to MSC is not reporting. It is a place to come with problems, for mediation, with questions, for help. The staff are like counselors and all are Admins so they have a high level of knowledge and forum experience. Also, if someone has had difficulty interpreting the rules and following them things can be clarified. In fact sanctions can even be appealed but the member has to be willing to work with the MSC staff and make positive changes.

    Shalom Brothers and Sisters.

    David
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2012
  6. Edial

    Edial Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yonah, please do not worry about things.
    But you might be right about reporting.
    Send PMs then ...

    Once we decide on how to conclude what is what in this forum MSC might do a thorough re-evaluation of some folks' profiles.

    Good seeing you, by the way. :)
     
  7. Lulav

    Lulav Older than ZIP Codes Staff Member Administrator CF Staff Trainer Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    Here's a book that's free right now for those who have read or are interested in the New Perspective on Paul

    Justifying Paul Among Jews and Christians? A Critical Investigation of the New Perspective on Paul in Light of Jewish-Christian Dialogue


    Product Description

    The purpose of this interdisciplinary dissertation is to study and analyse the New Perspective on Paul and its aftermath from the angle of Jewish-Christian relations. Its central aim is to evaluate the underlying premises at play in Pauline interpretations with special reference to the issue of supersessionism (the question of whether the Church has replaced or is considered inherently superior to Israel), and then compare the results of that research with how contemporary Jewish-Christian dialoguers are responding to those same issues today. The results of that interaction on several key areas are then evaluated and possible ways forward are advanced in the general conclusion.

    This dissertation aims to be a further contribution to that interdisciplinary conversation. Beyond the series of critiques and assessments that it offers, its main added value is to be found in three areas: (i) that it presents the broad parameters of Pauline research from Baur to Dunn and beyond on both the Christian and Jewish sides; (ii) that it offers its own perspective on Paul in dialogue with these findings; and (iii) that it attempts to further define and analyse what is meant by the term supersessionism while presenting various options for how to address it.

    Ultimately, though, this work does not seek to provide solid homogeneous answers to difficult questions, but rather, in dialogue with many other voices, it endeavours to map out ways forward by highlighting alternative viewpoints. Viewpoints that, like sign posts on a long and dangerous journey, point towards roads less travelled. It will then be for the coming generations to say whether those roads are actually worth following or not.

    The following pages promise reward for the attentive reader. Though countless volumes have been written on Paul and aspects of his theology, none has undertaken to give such an outline and evaluation of the broad contours of Pauline studies to the degree here covered; none has ever compared and contrasted those findings with contemporary Jewish-Christian dialogue on several key issues, and none has analysed the results and then presented possible ways forward for the benefit of both disciplines. This dissertation is thus unique in its approach and highly relevant for both Pauline research and for those engaged in interfaith dialogue between Christians and Jews. I therefore invite the reader to travel with us, one page at a time, as we explore Paul, the Jews and the God of Israel, from the apostle’s world to ours
     
  8. James Clarkston

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    Really? Then why did Paul say God had sent him to the gentiles?

    Sorry, I'm not seeing it, although it is true He ministered to churches that were mostly Jewish congregations.

    Funny, I ran across another board that claims to be Messianic that absolutely rejects ALL things written by Paul and claims he was of the devil, and blah, blah, blah...as though God isn't powerful enough to control what went in to His authorized canon. :doh:
     
  9. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    No, Mike, what he said is true. You'll not find the term christianity in the letters nor the title christian in the letters. In acts, yes, but only in terms of the believers being called christians, but not in the context of a different (as of yet) religion. That came later from rome and what they did with Paul's teachings. At the time of the writing of acts and Paul's letters, it was still very much a Judaism.
     
  10. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    I have a feeling that those arguers wouldn't read anything that "undid" their stance anyway. They'd no longer have any excuse for not walking Torah, which is what they want. Just my opinion.
     
  11. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    I'm 100% gentile but completely agree with Henaynei. There are 2 camps and I'm of the camp that sees Messianic Judaism as a Judaism. I do not consider myself christian, never use the term "christ" (though I will at times, when necessary, use the term Jesus). The only thing I have in common with christianity is I trust in Yeshua for my eternal being, I can't think of anything else that's common at all. Ah, due to the very small font, I cannot use the CJB, so I do use either a NKJV, NASB, or NIV christian NT, but carry a second volume Tanakh
     
  12. yedida

    yedida Ruth Messianic, joining Israel, Na'aseh v'nishma!

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    My only thought you just killed. Didn't realize it was a quote, so you can guess what my thoughts had been, hehehe. (Just now reading the thread for the first time.)
     
  13. Lulav

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    :D;)

    I only bumped it up because I found this book for free on Amazon and thought some here might be interested.


    Justifying Paul Among Jews and Christians? A Critical Investigation of the New Perspective on Paul in Light of Jewish-Christian Dialogue


    Product Description

    The purpose of this interdisciplinary dissertation is to study and analyse the New Perspective on Paul and its aftermath from the angle of Jewish-Christian relations. Its central aim is to evaluate the underlying premises at play in Pauline interpretations with special reference to the issue of supersessionism (the question of whether the Church has replaced or is considered inherently superior to Israel), and then compare the results of that research with how contemporary Jewish-Christian dialoguers are responding to those same issues today. The results of that interaction on several key areas are then evaluated and possible ways forward are advanced in the general conclusion.

    This dissertation aims to be a further contribution to that interdisciplinary conversation. Beyond the series of critiques and assessments that it offers, its main added value is to be found in three areas: (i) that it presents the broad parameters of Pauline research from Baur to Dunn and beyond on both the Christian and Jewish sides; (ii) that it offers its own perspective on Paul in dialogue with these findings; and (iii) that it attempts to further define and analyse what is meant by the term supersessionism while presenting various options for how to address it.

    Ultimately, though, this work does not seek to provide solid homogeneous answers to difficult questions, but rather, in dialogue with many other voices, it endeavours to map out ways forward by highlighting alternative viewpoints. Viewpoints that, like sign posts on a long and dangerous journey, point towards roads less travelled. It will then be for the coming generations to say whether those roads are actually worth following or not.

    The following pages promise reward for the attentive reader. Though countless volumes have been written on Paul and aspects of his theology, none has undertaken to give such an outline and evaluation of the broad contours of Pauline studies to the degree here covered; none has ever compared and contrasted those findings with contemporary Jewish-Christian dialogue on several key issues, and none has analysed the results and then presented possible ways forward for the benefit of both disciplines. This dissertation is thus unique in its approach and highly relevant for both Pauline research and for those engaged in interfaith dialogue between Christians and Jews. I therefore invite the reader to travel with us, one page at a time, as we explore Paul, the Jews and the God of Israel, from the apostle’s world to ours
     
  14. someguy14

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    I am glad that God has no respect of persons, but in righteousness.
     
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