New Hampshire abortion hospital takes over Catholic health center

[Erik Nelson]

Dartmouth-Hitchcock, GraniteOne health systems ink proposed combination

Dartmouth-Hitchcock Health and GraniteOne Health Sign Formal Agreement for Combined New Hampshire-based health care system | Catholic Medical Center

 

[anna ~ grace]

This is terrible, and very sad. I know there are good bishops and priests out there. This still baffles me, and makes me very sad. I think we are seeing a clearer and clearer rift between those Catholic leaders who are siding with Christ, and with life, and those who are willing to yield to error, and death.

 

[Erik Nelson]

This is terrible, and very sad. I know there are good bishops and priests out there. This still baffles me, and makes me very sad. I think we are seeing a clearer and clearer rift between those Catholic leaders who are siding with Christ, and with life, and those who are willing to yield to error, and death.

if there is a system out there that wants to kill your babies, why doesn't anyone get mad?

(personal) borders and boundaries

 

[Speedwell]

if there is a system out there that wants to kill your babies, why doesn't anyone get mad?

(personal) borders and boundaries

First you have to convince them that it's really a baby. You can't just assume they think so too but they're killing it anyway because they are wicked.

 

[cow451]

Catholic Hospitals and health care systems are businesses, just like the ones that are Methodist, Baptist and secular. They made a business decision.

 

[Paulos23]

Just because of one procedure, you are against this? Even though it was approved by the church?

You are letting emotions cloud your judgement.

 

[Erik Nelson]

First you have to convince them that it's really a baby. You can't just assume they think so too but they're killing it anyway because they are wicked.

it's not obvious that it's "their kid" ? Where do they think babies come from ?

 

[Fantine]

Perhaps continuing to operate St. Benedict's Center might have jeopardized the viability of the entire Catholic health care system, resulting in more hospitals falling into secular ownership.

BTW, one of the greatest threats to hospitals, particularly rural hospitals, would be ending the ACA. Rural areas tend to have many uninsured residents, and when they have no coverage and flood the emergency rooms of small hospitals the hospitals go bankrupt and are forced to close.

If the Catholic Church wants their hospitals to remain solvent, perhaps they should stop initiating lawsuits to harm, and perhaps end, the ACA. There are cases heading to the Supreme Court right now that could render a death knell to the ACA, and given our current leadership, will place many millions in health care jeopardy. They may have a conscience-based reason for their lawsuits, but they are playing into the hands of the greedy and rapacious who would rather have tax cuts than a just society.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Catholic Hospitals and health care systems are businesses, just like the ones that are Methodist, Baptist and secular. They made a business decision.

with Spiritual considerations?

you can generate 30dB = 1mW sounds out of your mouth, that their are no supra-terrestrial "spiritual" influences around, but that doesn't "erect a Star Wars deflector shield around earth" and prevent such influences from affecting this planet

Catholic care centers are (supposedly) under the influence of "friendly" spiritual influences, which ought to be taken into consideration

 

[cow451]

with Spiritual considerations?

you can generate 30dB = 1mW sounds out of your mouth, that their are no supra-terrestrial "spiritual" influences around, but that doesn't "erect a Star Wars deflector shield around earth" and prevent such influences from affecting this planet

Catholic care centers are (supposedly) under the influence of "friendly" spiritual influences, which ought to be taken into consideration

Well, they ain’t. It’s business. I’ve been in healthcare 40 years. It’s always been business, Catholic or not.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Well, it's worth pointing out that this "buying up an existing hospital, and adjusting the offered services" has gone in the other direction a lot more.

For everyone catholic hospital that has been bought up by a secular entity, there have been several entire secular hospital systems bought by Catholic entities.

Some interesting data:
Between 2001 and 2011, the number of American hospitals affiliated with the Catholic Church grew 16 percent, even as the number of public hospitals and secular nonprofit hospitals dropped 31 percent and 12 percent, respectively, according to an upcoming report by the American Civil Liberties Union and MergerWatch, a nonprofit that tracks religious health care mergers. In 2012, Catholic hospitals and health care systems were involved in 24 mergers or acquisitions, according to Irving Levin Associates, a market research firm. Ten of the 25 largest nonprofit hospital systems in the country are Catholic, and Catholic hospitals care for 1 in 6 American patients. In at least eight states, 30 percent or more of patient admissions are at Catholic facilities.

Catholic hospitals are required to follow health care directives handed down by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops— The issues go far beyond abortion. The bishops' directives restrict how doctors in Catholic hospitals may treat everything from miscarriages to terminal illness.

The Catholic Church spends 3/4 of their US revenue funding the initiatives of the CHUSA, a catholic organization that buys up hospitals (and entire hospital systems in a few cases), and removes pregnancy termination and contraception services.

...so, in terms of the game of "buying up hospitals for the purposes of adjusting abortion and contraception policies", the Catholic Church has been doing a lot of that than secular entities have.


And the angle they play about "providing charity care" is a tad misleading.

They don't particularly stand out as providing significantly higher amounts of charity care for the poor...in fact, public hospitals have them doubled in that regard.

...many of them aren't operated as non-profit (in the true sense)...and the ones that are (for the most part) were non profit before they were merged into/acquired by CHAUSA.