New Evidence that "The Temple Mount" is the remains of Roman Fort Antonia

[Mountainmike]

At least some of the geography , archeology and history is important to understand the true context and so interpretation of scripture. It is not just a crutch for propping belief.

Take... the location of Jesus ' thou art Peter and on this rock " speech - the rock Jesus contrasted and was the location of the speech - was a rock platform in caserea Phillipi ( still there today) on which was built a pagan temple to Pan, where a stream came from rock,which it was be believed to be an entry to the underworld.

So when Jesus appointed Peter as the rock of HIS church, he was clearly contrasting the rock of the pagan temple with his rock, Peter, so making a clear nonsense of anyone thinking the rock might be peters confession, which makes no sense in the context of either ancient language or indeed this geography. The gates of hell, also a reference to the belief about the presumed entry to underworld.

That is interesting. I don't invest a lot in places and artifacts. If anyone's interested, I can sell you a "true splinter of the Cross" or a vial of the actual water Jesus walked upon.

(That last one is technically true, if you understand the science behind the rain cycle.)

There have always been people who need something tangible to focus on in ritualizing their faith. And people who are more than happy to provide such.

This can only be bad for Jerusalem's tourist industry.

Thankfully, we in America have this...

https://holylandexperience.com/

 

[BABerean2]

So when Jesus appointed Peter as the rock of HIS church,

Who is the rock upon which the Church is built?

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?


1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Mar_12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:



Luk_20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?


Eph_2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone upon which the New Covenant Church is built.

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[dqhall]

At least some of the geography , archeology and history is important to understand the true context and so interpretation of scripture. It is not just a crutch for propping belief.

Take... the location of Jesus ' thou art Peter and on this rock " speech - the rock Jesus contrasted and was the location of the speech - was a rock platform in caserea Phillipi ( still there today) on which was built a pagan temple to Pan, where a stream came from rock,which it was be believed to be an entry to the underworld.

So when Jesus appointed Peter as the rock of HIS church, he was clearly contrasting the rock of the pagan temple with his rock, Peter, so making a clear nonsense of anyone thinking the rock might be peters confession, which makes no sense in the context of either ancient language or indeed this geography. The gates of hell, also a reference to the belief about the presumed entry to underworld.

Peter was named Simon, perhaps after the Jewish general Simon Maccabeus. Jesus changed Simon's name to Petros (a.k.a. Peter) meaning rock in Greek, like he was a solid individual.

 

[jgr]

Peter was named Simon, perhaps after the Jewish general Simon Maccabeus. Jesus changed Simon's name to Petros (a.k.a. Peter) meaning rock in Greek, like he was a solid individual.

Peter was a "petros" stone. Christ is the "petra" rock.

From the Greek:

"...you are Peter..."
4074 [e]
Petros

"...and upon this rock..."
4073 [e]
petra

From HELPS Word-studies:

4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – "a mass of connected rock," which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is "a detached stone or boulder" (A-S).4073 (pétra) is a "solid or native rock, rising up through the earth" (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is "a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw" (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

 

[dqhall]

Peter was a "petros" stone. Christ is the "petra" rock.

From the Greek:

"...you are Peter..."
4074 [e]
Petros

"...and upon this rock..."
4073 [e]
petra

From HELPS Word-studies:

4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – "a mass of connected rock," which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is "a detached stone or boulder" (A-S).4073 (pétra) is a "solid or native rock, rising up through the earth" (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is "a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw" (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

They used to speak Aramaic in Roman era Israel. Difficult to get an exact translation. Peter was obviously not a boulder or outcropping. He was likened to a foundation solid enough to build upon, reliable. It was figurative speech.

 

[Jipsah]

I won't waste any more time on you -

 

[jgr]

They used to speak Aramaic in Roman era Israel. Difficult to get an exact translation. Peter was obviously not a boulder or outcropping. He was likened to a foundation solid enough to build upon, reliable. It was figurative speech.

An edifice such as the Church cannot possibly endure if built upon a mere man.

It can only endure if built upon Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

During the last 50 years thousands of Christians and Jews have prayed at the remains of a Roman fort in the city of Jerusalem, which was built to house the thousands of Roman soldiers needed to police the city during the time of Christ.
Why? Because they have ignored the words of Jesus in Matthew 24:1-3, and Luke 19:41-44, and they have also ignored recent archeological evidence.
Recently a Roman Amphitheater was discovered underground at the "western wall" of the fort...

See the links below about the Roman Amphitheater and Roman Fort Antonia.
Archaeologists just discovered an ancient lost theatre near the Western Wall in Jerusalem
The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia
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Very informative
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Where and which Court that is shown in Reve 11:2 have been located in Herod's Temple?

Note it is the "Sanctuary" being measured, which contained the Holy Place and Most Holy place, which was located inside the Temple. The Chief Priests always railed against Jesus and only they were allowed to enter the Most Holy Place once a year.

The Holy of Holies (Tiberian Hebrew: קֹדֶשׁ הַקֳּדָשִׁים Qṓḏeš HaQŏḏāšîm) is a term in the Hebrew Bible which refers to the inner sanctuary of the Tabernacle where God's presence appeared. The area was defined by four pillars which held up the veil of the covering, under which the Ark of the Covenant was held above the floor. The Ark according to Hebrew Scripture contained the Ten Commandments, which were given by God to Moses on Mount Sinai. King Solomon built the Temple in Jerusalem, where the Ark of the Covenant was supposed to be kept.

The Holy of Holies was entered once a year by the High Priest on the Day of Atonement, to sprinkle the blood of sacrificial animals (a bull offered as atonement for the Priest and his household, and a goat offered as atonement for the people) and offer incense upon the Ark of the Covenant and the mercy seat which sat....

I find it curious that the Greek word for Temple<2411> is never used once in Revelation, [even tho it is used in Matt 24 of the 70ad Olivet Discourse]

[Note the whole Court located inside the Temple is cast outside [not "left out" as most versions show]]:

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485>[Holy and Most Holy Place] of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar of incense] and those worshiping in it.
2 and the Court<833> outside of the Sanctuary, be thou casting-out! out-side, and thou mayest not be measuring it, that it was given to the nations.
And the holy city they shall be trampling forty and two months

Matthew 26:3
Then were gathered together the Chief-priests and the Scribes, and the Elders of the people to the Court/fold/aulhn <833> of the Chief-priest who was called Caiaphas [Revelation 11:2]

The Court of the Priest's (Herod's Temple )

The innermost court was the Court of the Priests, which excluded all laymen. In the eastern part of this court, opposite the main gates leading from the other courts and the eastern entrance into the Temple area, so that it could be seen from a distance, stood the great altar of burnt offering.
In this latter court stood the altar of burnt offering, made of unwrought stone, 30 cubits (45 feet) in length and breadth, and 15 cubits (22 feet) high. West of this was the Temple, and between the Holy Place and the altar stood the laver of cleansing.

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Genesis 1:1 (YLT)

3485. naos from a primary naio (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple :--shrine, temple. Compare 2411.
Strong's Number G3485 ναός (naos), occurs 46 times in 40 verses

ναός, ναοῦ, ὁ (ναίω to dwell), the Sept. for הֵיכָל, used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies (in classical Greek used of the sanctuary or cell of a temple, where the image of the god was placed, called also δόμος, σηκός, which is to be distinguished from τό ἱερόν, the whole temple, the entire consecrated enclosure; this distinction is observed also in the Bible; see ἱερόν, p. 299{a}): Matthew 23:16f, 35 27:40; Mark 14:58; Mark 15:29; John 2:19; Revelation 11:2; nor need Matthew 27:5 be regarded as an exception, provided we suppose that Judas in his desperation entered the Holy place, which no one but the priests was allowed to enter ((note the εἰς (others, ἐν) of T Tr WH)). with Θεοῦ, τοῦ Θεοῦ, added: Matthew 26:61; 1 Corinthians 3:17; 2 Corinthians 6:16; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 11:1; used specifically of the Holy place, where the priests officiated: Luke 1:9, 21f; of the Holy of holies (see καταπέτασμα), Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45. in the visions of the Revelation used of the temple of the 'New Jerusalem': Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15, 17; Revelation 15:5f, 8; Revelation 16:1, 17; of any temple whatever prepared for the true God, Acts 7:48 Rec.; Acts 17:24. of miniature silver temples modeled after the temple of Diana (i. e. Artemis (which see)) of Ephesus, Acts 19:24. ὁ Θεός ναός αὐτῆς ἐστιν, takes the place of a temple in it, Revelation 21:22. metaphorically, of a company of Christians, a Christian church, as dwelt in by the Spirit of God: 1 Corinthians 3:16; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21; for the same reason, of the bodies of Christians, 1 Corinthians 6:19. of the body of Christ, ὁ ναός τοῦ σώματος αὐτοῦ (epexegetical genitive (Winer's Grammar, 531 (494))), John 2:21, and according to the Evangelist's interpretation in 19 also. ((From Homer on.))

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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple<2411>.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple,
one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:5
and of some saying concerning the Temple,
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
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2411. hieron neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts (whereas 3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere):--temple.
Genesis 1:1 (YLT)

ἱερόν, ἱεροῦ, τό (neuter of the adjective ἱερός, ἱερά, ἱερόν; cf. τό ἅγιον) (from Herodotus on), a sacred place, temple: of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus, Acts 19:27; of the temple at Jerusalem twice in the Sept., Ezekiel 45:19; 1 Chronicles 29:4; more frequent in the O. T. Apocrypha; in the N. T. often in the Gospels and Acts; once elsewhere, viz. 1 Corinthians 9:13. τό ἱερόν and ὁ ναός differ, in that the former designates the whole compass of the sacred enclosure, embracing the entire aggregate of buildings, balconies, porticos, courts (viz., that of the men or Israelites, that of the women, that of the priests), belonging to the temple;

the latter designates the sacred edifice properly so called, consisting of two parts, the 'sanctuary' or 'Holy place' (which no one except the priests was allowed to enter), and the 'Holy of holies' or 'most holy place' (see ἅγιος, 1 a.) (which was entered only on the great day of atonement by the high priest alone); (cf. Trench, Synonyms, § iii.). ἱερόν is employed in the N. T. either explicitly of the whole temple, Matthew 12:6; Matthew 24:1; Mark 13:3; Luke 21:5; Luke 22:52; Acts 4:1; Acts 24:6; Acts 25:8; 1 Corinthians 9:13, etc.; or so that certain definite parts of it must be thought of, as the courts, especially where Jesus or the apostles are said to have gone up, or entered, 'into the temple,' to have taught or encountered adversaries, and the like, 'in the temple,' Matthew 21:12, 14; Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47; Luke 21:37; Luke 22:53; Luke 24:53; John 5:14; John 7:14, 28; John 8:20; John 18:20; Acts 3:2; Acts 5:20; Acts 21:26, etc.; of the courts and sanctuary, ...............

Please visit my "Court" thread...........
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The Court in Revelation 11:2

Revelation 11:2
and the Court<833> outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out! out-side,.............

Matthew 26:3
Then were gathered together the Chief-priests and the Scribes, and the Elders of the people to the Court/fold<833> of the Chief-priest who was called Caiaphas [Revelation 11:2]

 

[Lost4words]

They used to speak Aramaic in Roman era Israel. Difficult to get an exact translation. Peter was obviously not a boulder or outcropping. He was likened to a foundation solid enough to build upon, reliable. It was figurative speech.

Peter, the name, means Rock. As it does in Aramaic.

 

[BABerean2]

Very informative
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Where and which Court that is shown in Reve 11:2 have been located in Herod's Temple?

Note it is the "Sanctuary" being measured, which contained the Holy Place and Most Holy place, which was located inside the Temple. The Chief Priests always railed against Jesus and only they were allowed to enter the Most Holy Place once a year.

I find it curious that the Greek word for Temple<2411> is never used once in Revelation, [even tho it is used in Matt 24 of the 70ad Olivet Discourse]

[Note the whole Court located inside the Temple is cast outside [not "left out" as most versions show]]:

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485>[Holy and Most Holy Place] of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar of incense] and those worshiping in it.
2 and the Court<833> outside of the Sanctuary, be thou casting-out! out-side, and thou mayest not be measuring it, that it was given to the nations.
And the holy city they shall be trampling forty and two months

Matthew 26:3
Then were gathered together the Chief-priests and the Scribes, and the Elders of the people to the Court/fold/aulhn <833> of the Chief-priest who was called Caiaphas [Revelation 11:2]

The Court of the Priest's (Herod's Temple )

=============
Genesis 1:1 (YLT)

3485. naos from a primary naio (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple :--shrine, temple. Compare 2411.
Strong's Number G3485 ναός (naos), occurs 46 times in 40 verses

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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple<2411>.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple,
one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:5
and of some saying concerning the Temple,
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
==========
2411. hieron neuter of 2413; a sacred place, i.e. the entire precincts (whereas 3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere):--temple.
Genesis 1:1 (YLT)

Please visit my "Court" thread...........
=============================================
The Court in Revelation 11:2

Revelation 11:2
and the Court<833> outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out! out-side,.............

Matthew 26:3
Then were gathered together the Chief-priests and the Scribes, and the Elders of the people to the Court/fold<833> of the Chief-priest who was called Caiaphas [Revelation 11:2]

View attachment 260045

Josephus said the temple was located about 600 feet from the Roman fort.

The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia

We know the fort was above the temple, because the soldiers had to go "down" to the temple to rescue Paul.


Act 21:31 And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.
Act 21:32 Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul.
Act 21:33 Then the chief captain came near, and took him, and commanded him to be bound with two chains; and demanded who he was, and what he had done.
Act 21:34 And some cried one thing, some another, among the multitude: and when he could not know the certainty for the tumult, he commanded him to be carried into the castle.
Act 21:35 And when he came upon the stairs, so it was, that he was borne of the soldiers for the violence of the people.
Act 21:36 For the multitude of the people followed after, crying, Away with him.
Act 21:37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
Act 21:38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
Act 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
Act 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

In order to speak to the people, Paul had to be on the stairs above them.

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[Lost4words]

All evidence points to the fort occupying the whole area where the dome is etc.

Why cant the 'world' see that?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Josephus said the temple was located about 600 feet from the Roman fort.
The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia
We know the fort was above the temple, because the soldiers had to go "down" to the temple to rescue Paul.

Act 21:32 Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul. 35 And when he came upon the stairs, so it was, that he was borne of the soldiers for the violence of the people. 40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

In order to speak to the people, Paul had to be on the stairs above them.

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Hello BAB.
Most pictures I have seen show the Temple higher than F A...........

edit to add......correction..........it appears it is the Sanctuary, and the Court around it, that is higher.......

Titus and his 10th were camped on the Mount of Olives on the east, and thus could see the Temple from a distance............

Matthew 24 Mount of Olives and Titus's 10th Legion on Mt Olives 70ad

www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah

APRIL, A.D. 70 - PHASE ONE
THE ROMAN ARMY ARRIVES AT JERUSALEM TO PREPARE THE SIEGE

The first night of Titus' encampment with the 15th, 3rd and 18th Legions, the 5th Legion arrived from Emmaus and set camp north of the city on Mount Scopus.
Later the next day, the famed 10th Legion (founded by Julius Caesar) marched in from Jericho and camped on the Mount of Olives, east of the city.
Instead of waiting to starve the Jews into submission, Titus decides to assault many different parts of the city and overwhelm the defenders. Titus was early on in the middle of the fighting with his soldiers. At least two times, Titus and his detachment are surrounded by defenders, only to escape
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Josephus describes the burning flames of the City as being seen in the distant mountains:

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

..................The old and the young, the common people and the priests, those who surrendered and those who resisted, were equally involved in this horrible and indiscriminate carnage. Meanwhile the Temple continued burning, until at length, vast as was its size, the flames completely enveloped the, whole building ; which, from the extent of the conflagration, impressed the distant spectator with an idea that the whole city was now on fire.

The lamentations from the city wore re-echoed from the adjacent mountains, and places beyond Jordan. The flames which enveloped the Temple were so violent and impetuous, that the lofty hill. on which it stood appeared, even front its deep foundations, as one large body of fire. The blood of the sufferers flowed in proportion to the rage of this de structive element ; and the number of the slain exceeded all calculation. The ground could not be seen for the dead bodies, over which the Romans trampled in pursuit of the fugitives.................... .................
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Please view my "Jerusalem/Lake of Fire" thread....

OC Jerusalem and Lake of Fire
OC Jerusalem and Lake of Fire

Revelation 18:9
And shall be lamenting<2799> over Her and shall be grieving/smiting selves<2875> over Her the kings of the earth, those with Her committing whoredom and indulging
whenever they may be beholding<991> the smoke of Her burning<4451>.
10 From afar<3113> having stood because of the fear of the tormenting<929> of Her saying
"Woe! woe! the great City Babylon! the strong City!
That to one hour came the judging<2920> of Thee.
========================
https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html

 

[BABerean2]

Hello BAB.
Most pictures I have seen show the Temple higher than F A...........

Were those pictures based on Acts of the Apostles 21:31-40?

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Were those pictures based on Acts of the Apostles 21:31-40?
.

What pics can you find based on those verses?

 

[BABerean2]

What pics can you find based on those verses?

I do not need any pictures.
The text reveals that the fort was above the temple, directly from the Word of God.


Any pictures that say otherwise are the traditions of men.

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[Lost4words]

So, the Western wall is the wailing wall?

If so, the Jews have been nodding to just an 'ordinary' wall? The wall of the fort?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hello BAB.
Most pictures I have seen show the Temple higher than F A...........

edit to add......correction..........it appears it is the Sanctuary, and the Court around it, that is higher.......

View attachment 260051

Titus and his 10th were camped on the Mount of Olives on the east, and thus could see the Temple from a distance............

Matthew 24 Mount of Olives and Titus's 10th Legion on Mt Olives 70ad

www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah

APRIL, A.D. 70 - PHASE ONE
THE ROMAN ARMY ARRIVES AT JERUSALEM TO PREPARE THE SIEGE

The first night of Titus' encampment with the 15th, 3rd and 18th Legions, the 5th Legion arrived from Emmaus and set camp north of the city on Mount Scopus.
Later the next day, the famed 10th Legion (founded by Julius Caesar) marched in from Jericho and camped on the Mount of Olives, east of the city.
Instead of waiting to starve the Jews into submission, Titus decides to assault many different parts of the city and overwhelm the defenders. Titus was early on in the middle of the fighting with his soldiers. At least two times, Titus and his detachment are surrounded by defenders, only to escape
====================
Josephus describes the burning flames of the City as being seen in the distant mountains:

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

..................The old and the young, the common people and the priests, those who surrendered and those who resisted, were equally involved in this horrible and indiscriminate carnage. Meanwhile the Temple continued burning, until at length, vast as was its size, the flames completely enveloped the, whole building ; which, from the extent of the conflagration, impressed the distant spectator with an idea that the whole city was now on fire.

The lamentations from the city wore re-echoed from the adjacent mountains, and places beyond Jordan. The flames which enveloped the Temple were so violent and impetuous, that the lofty hill. on which it stood appeared, even front its deep foundations, as one large body of fire. The blood of the sufferers flowed in proportion to the rage of this de structive element ; and the number of the slain exceeded all calculation. The ground could not be seen for the dead bodies, over which the Romans trampled in pursuit of the fugitives.................... .................
===================================
Please view my "Jerusalem/Lake of Fire" thread....

OC Jerusalem and Lake of Fire
OC Jerusalem and Lake of Fire

Revelation 18:9
And shall be lamenting<2799> over Her and shall be grieving/smiting selves<2875> over Her the kings of the earth, those with Her committing whoredom and indulging
whenever they may be beholding<991> the smoke of Her burning<4451>.
10 From afar<3113> having stood because of the fear of the tormenting<929> of Her saying
"Woe! woe! the great City Babylon! the strong City!
That to one hour came the judging<2920> of Thee.
========================
https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html

Were those pictures based on Acts of the Apostles 21:31-40?
.

What pics can you find based on those verses?

I do not need any pictures.
The text reveals that the fort was above the temple, directly from the Word of God.
Any pictures that say otherwise are the traditions of men.

.

They say a picture can be worth a 1000 words.....in some cases suppose..

Lam 1:1
How deserted lies the city, once so full of people!
How like a widow is she, who once was great among the nations!
She who was queen among the provinces has now become a slave.

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18:7
‘As much as She glorifies Herself and indulges so much,
be giving to Her torment<929> and sorrow<3997>.
That in Her heart She is saying: 'I am sitting a Queen,
and a Widow not I am being, and sorrow not no I shall seeing.'

 

[BABerean2]

They say a picture can be worth a 1000 words.....in some cases suppose..

Some people have posted maps on this forum many times, which do not line up with Acts of the Apostles 21:31-40.

Would they prefer to keep posting the wrong map, or be willing to correct it?

.

 

[JacksBratt]

So, the Western wall is the wailing wall?

If so, the Jews have been nodding to just an 'ordinary' wall? The wall of the fort?

If the "wailing wall" is part of the temple... then Jesus lied when He said that no rock would be left on top of another....

The "wailing wall" is easily mistaken for part of the temple. However, new archeological digs in the area south of the Dome on the Rock have shown evidence of being the rightful placement of the temple.

This would line up with scripture and Satan built his Dome in the wrong spot. Also, this would make the building of the new temple more plausible due to the fact that the dome can remain intact.

 

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If the "wailing wall" is part of the temple... then Jesus lied when He said that no rock would be left on top of another....

The "wailing wall" is easily mistaken for part of the temple. However, new archeological digs in the area south of the Dome on the Rock have shown evidence of being the rightful placement of the temple.

This would line up with scripture and Satan built his Dome in the wrong spot. Also, this would make the building of the new temple more plausible due to the fact that the dome can remain intact.

Yes, so the wailing wall is part of the fort?