New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 Hebrew 8

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was looking at the New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrew 8 and started looking at the Hebrew words in Jeremiah and the Greek words in Hebrews 8.
I wrote these verses word for for as much as possible as they appear in the texts.
But anyone who has read Rotherham's and Young's LT knows how awkward read a literal word for word translation. Biblehub has a fairly nice interlinear also includes strong's #s.

Genesis 1 Interlinear Bible

First off, here is my translation of Jeremiah 31:31-33 and Hebrews 8:8-10

Jeremiah 31:
31 Behold! days are coming a declaration of Yahweh
and I Cut a New Covenant with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband to them, says Yahweh.
33 That this the Covenant which I shall Cut with House of Yisra'el after those days, declarations of Yahweh.
I give My Law within them and on their heart I shall write it,
and I become to them for an Elohim,
and they shall become to Me for a people.
Hebrews 8:
8 "For faulting to them He is saying 'behold! days are coming, is saying Lord,
and I shall be together finishing upon the House of Israel and upon the House of Judah a New Covenant,
9 Not according as the Covenant which I make to their fathers,
in day of taking of Me their hand, to be leading them out of land of Egypt,
that they not remain in My Covenant, and I, I un-care of them, is saying LORD.
10 That this the Covenant which I shall be Covenanting to the House of Israel after those days, is saying LORD.
Giving My laws into their minds and upon their hearts I shall be engraving them.
And I shall to them into a God, and they shall be to Me into a People.

I then put each Hebrew verse together with the Greek verse to better compare the words and how and where they are used in other places of the OT and NT.

Jeremiah 31:
31 Behold! days, ones coming a declaration of Yahweh
and I Cut a New Covenant with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah
Hebrews 8:
8 "For faulting to-them He is saying 'behold! days are coming is saying Lord
and I shall-be-together-finishing upon the House of Israel and upon the House of Judah a New Covenant

Jeremiah 31:
32 Not as Covenant which I Cut with their fathers, in day of to hold-fast of Me in hand of them, to bring them forth from land of Egypt which they broke My Covenant and I, I-possessed in them, declaration-of Yahweh.
Hebrews 8:
9 Not according as the Covenant which I make to their fathers in day of taking of Me their hand, to be leading them out of land of Egypt,
that they not remain in My Covenant, and I, I un-care of them, is saying LORD.

Jeremiah 31:
33 That this the-Covenant which I shall Cut with house of Yisra'el after those days, declarations-of Yahweh.
I give My Law within them and on their heart I shall write it,
and I become to them for an Elohim,
and they shall become to Me for a people.
Hebrews 8:
10 That this the Covenant which I shall be Covenanting to the House of Israel after those days, is saying LORD.
Giving My laws into their minds and upon their hearts I shall be engraving them.
And I shall to them into a God,
and they shall be to Me into a People.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The LXX:

Bible Search Cross Reference Jeremiah 31:31. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

{Jeremiah 31:31} Behold, x2009 the days 3117 come, 935 z8802 saith 5002 z8803 the LORD, 3068 that I will make 3772 z8804 a new 2319 covenant 1285 with x854 the house 1004 of Israel, 3478 and with x854 the house 1004 of Judah: 3063
the days:
"Behold,¹ the daysª come,ªº saithªº the LORD,ª that I will sowªº¹ the houseª of Israelª and the houseª of Judahª with the seedª of man,ª and with the seedª of beast.ª" {Jer 31:27} + "Behold,¹ the daysª come,ªº saithªº the LORD,ª that I will raiseªº unto Davidª a righteousª Branch,ª and a Kingª shall reignªº and prosper,ªº and shall executeªº judgmentª and justiceª in the earth.ª" {Jer 23:5}............
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Bible Search Cross Reference Jeremiah 31:32. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband to them, saith the LORD:

{Jeremiah 31:32} Not x3808 according to the covenant 1285 that x834 I made 3772 z8804 with x854 their fathers 1 in the day 3117 [that] I took 2388 z8687 them by the hand 3027 to bring x3318 them out y3318 z8687 of the land 776 x4480 of Egypt; 4714 which x834 x853 my covenant 1285 they x1992 brake, 6565 z8689 although I x595 was an husband 1166 z8804 unto them, saith 5002 z8803 the LORD: 3068
Not:
"At the same¹ time,ª saithªº the LORD,ª will I be¹ the Godª of all¹ the familiesª of Israel,ª and they¹ shall be¹ my people.ª" {Jer 31:1} + "At the endª¹ of sevenª yearsª let ye goªº every manª¹ his brotherª an Hebrew,ª which¹ hath been soldªº unto thee; and when he hath servedªº thee sixª years,ª thou shalt let him goªº freeª from¹¹ thee: but your fathersª hearkenedªº not¹ unto¹ me, neither¹ inclinedªº¹ their ear.ª" {Jer 34:14} ........................
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Bible Search Cross Reference Jeremiah 31:33. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

{Jeremiah 31:33} But x3588 this x2063 [shall be] the covenant 1285 that x834 I will make 3772 z8799 with x854 the house 1004 of Israel; 3478 After 310 those x1992 days, 3117 saith 5002 z8803 the LORD, 3068 I will put 5414 z8804 x853 my law 8451 in their inward parts, 7130 and write 3789 z8799 it in x5921 their hearts; 3820 and will be x1961 their God, 430 and they x1992 shall be x1961 my people. 5971
But this shall be the:
"And I will makeªº an everlastingª covenantª with them, that¹ I will not¹ turn awayªº from¹¹ them,² to do them good;ªº¹ but I will putªº my fearª in their hearts,ª that they shall not¹ departªº from¹¹ me." {Jer 32:40}
I will:
"And the LORDª thy Godª will circumciseªº¹ thine heart,ª and the heartª of thy seed,ª to loveªº¹ the LORDª thy Godª with all¹ thine heart,ª and with all¹ thy soul,ª that¹ thou mayest live.ª" {Deu 30:6} + "The lawª of his Godª [is] in his heart;ª none¹ of his stepsª shall slide.ªº" {Psa 37:31} + "I delightªº to doªº thy will,ª O my God:ª yea, thy lawª [is] withinª my heart.ª" {Psa 40:8} + "Hearkenªº unto¹ me, ye that knowªº righteousness,ª the peopleª in whose heartª [is] my law;......................

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In verse 32 of Jeremiah 31 again the hebrew word #03772 is used as in verse 31, but now the greek word used in Hebrews 8:9 if different than that used in verse 8. This is actually the first time I noticed this. Thoughts.

Jeremiah 31:31
Behold! days, ones coming a declaration of Yahweh
and I Cut<3772> a New Covenant with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah

3772 karath a primitive root;
to cut (off, down or asunder); by implication, to destroy or consume; specifically, to covenant (i.e. make an alliance or bargain, originally by cutting flesh and passing between the pieces):--be chewed, be con-(feder-)ate, covenant, cut (down, off)................

Hebrews 8:8
"For faulting to them He is saying 'behold! days are coming, is saying Lord,
and I shall be together-finishing/consummating<4931> upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a New Covenant,

4931. sun-teleo soon-tel-eh'-o from 4862 and 5055;
to complete entirely; generally, to execute (literally or figuratively):--end, finish, fulfil, make.
4862. sun soon a primary preposition
denoting union; with or together (but much closer than 3326 or 3844), i.e. by association, companionship, process, resemblance, possession, instrumentality, addition, etc.
5055. teleo tel-eh'-o from 5056;
to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.
5056. telos from a primary tello
(to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely)

Jeremiah 31:33/Hebrew 8:10 is even more interesting.

Again the same hebrew word #03772 is used and again a different greek word is used from the other 2 used in Hebrew 8.

Jeremiah 31:33
That this the-Covenant which I-shall-cut/make/03772 with house-of Yisra'el after the-days, those, declarations-of YHWH.
I-give <ath> Law of Me within-them and-on heart-of-them I-shall-write-her and-I-become to-them for-Elohiym and-they they-shall-become to-Me for-people.

Hebrews 8:10
That this the Covenant which I shall be Covenanting<1303> to the House of Israel after the days, those, is saying Lord. Giving laws of Me into the minds of them and upon hearts of them I shall be engraving them. And I shall to them into God and they shall be to Me into a People.

1303. diatithemai middle voice from 1223 and 5087;
to put apart, i.e. (figuratively) dispose (by assignment, compact, or bequest):--appoint, make, testator.
1223. dia a primary preposition
denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal, or occasional):--after, always, among, at, to avoid, because of (that), briefly, by, for (cause)
5087. tithemi a prolonged form of a primary theo theh'-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses)
to place (in the widest application, literally and figuratively; properly, in a passive or horizontal posture, and thus different from 2476, which properly denotes an upright and active position, while 2749 is properly reflexive and utterly prostrate)


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[LittleLambofJesus]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Here are the greek words used in Hebrew 8 and where those exact form of the words are used elsewhere in the NT/NC. I never realized these were all different until yesterday when I was translating it. Thoughts?

Hebrew 8
8 I shall-be-together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> [This form used only 1 time]​

9 which I make/epoihsa <4160>
[This form used 10 times: 6 times in John, Acts 26:10, 2 Corin 11:7, 1 Timothy 1:13, Hebrew 8:9]

10 I shall be Covenanting/diaqhsomai <1303>
[This form used 2 times: Hebrew 8:10, 10:16]​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hebrew 8:8 I shall-be-Together-Finishing/sun-telesw <4931> [This form used only 1 time]

This greek word#4931 is used 6 times in NT. 3 times in Gospels, 1 time in Acts, Roman 9:28, Hebrew 8:8

Romans 9:28 appears to have a rather large variance in it as shown in the NKJV and NASB Bible versions.

Mark 13:4
Tell Thou to us! when? theses shall be and what? the Sign whenever may be being about these to be together-finished/sun-teleisqai <4931> All

Romans 9:28
For a word together-finishing/sun-telwn <4931> and together-cutting [*in righteousness that a word together-cutting-short] shall be doing Lord upon the land

Textus Rec.)
logon gar suntelwn kai suntemnwn en dikaiosunh oti logon suntetmhmenon poihsei kurioV epi thV ghV
W-H )
logon gar suntelwn kai suntemnwn ** *********** *** ****** ***************** poihsei kurioV epi thV ghV

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I looked up this verse in the LXX at 2 different sites and really not sure why this particular greek word was used for the hebrew word "to cut".
One site also show this verse as Jeremiah 38:31

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold! days, ones coming a declaration of YHWH and I-Cut Make/03772 karath with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah a Covenant, New

http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=jeremiah+31:31&section=0&it=kjv&oq=ruin&ot=lxx&nt=na&new=1

LXX) Jeremiah 31:31 idou hmerai erxontai fhsin kuriov kai diaqhsomai #5087 tw oikw Israhl kai tw oikw Iouda diaqhkhn kainhn

1 At that time, saith the Lord, I will be a God to the family of Israel, and th... JEREMIAH / ΙΕΡΕΜΙΑΣ38 - Bilingual Septuagint

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

Do you see the nc as a completion of the oc or a completely new thing that is ongoing and still not yet finished?

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Do you see the nc as a completion of the oc or a completely new thing that is ongoing and still not yet finished?

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Greetings PNRH! Yes, I believe that is what the Jewish/Hebrew book is symbolizing for both the OC houses of "judah/israel" and "gentiles/nations"
This greek word for "finish" is used with the prefix "sun" and is not really translated in most bible versions as it read in the greek. It could mean "consumation".

Also look at the greek word used in Reve 16:17 #1096. This seems to be an equivalent way of also say "it has been consummated". Thoughts?

Hebrew 8:8 I shall-be-Together-Finishing/sun-telesw <4931> (5692) [This form used only 1 time]

Matt 24:6 Ye shall be being about yet to be hearing battles and hearings of battles. Be ye seeing! no be being alarmed, for is binding/dei <1163> (5904) to be Becoming/genesqai <1096> (5635), but not as yet is the End/teloV <5056>.

Reve 16:17 and the seventh Messenger pours out the bowl of him into the air and came out Voice great from the sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has Become"/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 21:6]

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

This seems to be an equivalent way of also say "it has been consummated". Thoughts?

A year ago I would have argued with you to the end. I am coming to a fuller view however. I tend to agree with this thought. That things have been consumated, completed, finished. Only thing left is Christ's return to earth. Your thoughts?

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[LittleLambofJesus]

A year ago I would have argued with you to the end. I am coming to a fuller view however. I tend to agree with this thought. That things have been consumated, completed, finished. Only thing left is Christ's return to earth. Your thoughts?

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Greetings. My view is once the last bowl is poured out in Revelation, that is it, kaput, finished, nada left.

I also view "armegeddon/gog-magog" as one and the same event as there is only One Great Day of the Lord God Almighty shown in the Bible, not 2. Thoughts?

Reve 16:17 and the seventh Messenger pours out the bowl of him into the air and came out Voice great from the sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has Become"/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 21:6]

Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 16:17]

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

Would the original readers of john's letters viewed it this way?

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Would the original readers of john's letters viewed it this way?

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I would think most of them were OC jews Israelites.

 

[tz620q]

I was looking at the New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrew 8. The hebrew word "#03772 is used in vs 31 of Jeremiah and generally denotes "cut" in most of the OT. But in Hebrew 8:8 the greek word #4931 is used denoting a "full finish" and it has the prefics "sun" with it.

We know JESUS finished the first part of this when He proclaimed "It is Finished" on the Cross. I will put up verses 32 and 33 as we go along.
Btw, does anyone know where I can find an LXX translation of Jeremiah 31:31-33 that has the strong #s with it?
Thanks for any input on this.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold! days, ones coming a declaration of YHWH and I-Cut/Make/03772 karath with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah a Covenant, New

03772 karath {kaw-rath'} a primitive root; TWOT - 1048; v
1) to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant

Hebrews 8:8 "For faulting to-them He is saying 'behold! days are coming is saying Lord and I shall-be-together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> (5692) upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a Covenant, New'

Textus Rec.) Hebrews 8:8 memfomenoV gar autoiV legei idou hmerai ercontai legei kurioV kai suntelesw epi ton oikon israhl kai epi ton oikon iouda diaqhkhn kainhn

4931. sunteleo soon-tel-eh'-o from 4862 and 5055; to complete entirely; generally, to execute (literally or figuratively):--end, finish, fulfil, make.
4862. sun soon a primary preposition denoting union; with or together
5055. teleo tel-eh'-o from 5056; to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.

Interesting. So do you see the Hebrew word Karath being translated "make" as a back reading of the greek in the book Hebrews?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What I also found intersting about about Hebrew 8:8 was the use of the greek word #4930.

It has the prefix "sun" which means "together" and #5055 which means "finish/end".

Jesus uses that same greek word in Matt 24:3.

Matthew 24:3
Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-Finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age" [1 Corin 15:23,24]

Hebrews 8:8
"For faulting to-them He is saying 'behold, days are coming is saying Lord and I shall-be-together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a Covenant, New

4930. sunteleia soon-tel'-i-ah from 4931; entire completion, i.e. consummation (of a dispensation):--end.
4862. sun soon a primary preposition denoting union; with or together (but much closer than 3326 or 3844), i.e. by association, companionship, process, resemblance, possession, instrumentality, addition, etc.:-
5055. teleo tel-eh'-o from 5056; to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Shameless bump...........

 

[Frogster]

I see the old as cove as over,and the new as new.No mixing.

Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”

Our inheritiance is of fath,not the law.The promise came 430 years before the law.I personally think that the "renew" crowd,is trying to hold onto the old cov,they like old wine.

 

[Frogster]

Shameless bump...........

no shame,tis a goodie.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

no shame,tis a goodie.

At least it isn't over 3 yrs old as some threads I bumped

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I see the old as cove as over,and the new as new.No mixing.

Gal 4:30 But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”

Our inheritiance is of fath,not the law.The promise came 430 years before the law.I personally think that the "renew" crowd,is trying to hold onto the old cov,they like old wine.

Romans 8:17 is a good read on that also.......I just got to it on my Romans thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7364825/#post53178252