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All children of mine,
if I had 'delivered' them,
were then 'begat' by me...
and also 'fathered' by me...

the word 'begat' does not mean 'adopted...
but when it says that Cush was the father of 5,
he probably also 'begat' those 5...

but...
"Nimrod' is not identified as his child,
only 'begat' by him...

that is not so hard to understand,
unless one does not want to...

 
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note in I Samuel 4:19
it speaks of 'was with child,
near to be delivered (yalad)"
and that word is the same
as translated elsewhere as 'begat'...


if that word meant 'fathered'
it would not make sense here...


also in Gen 25:24 we see
'her days to be delivered (yalad)
were fulfilled'...


again, this is the same word...


everywhere 'yalad' is used
it means 'delivered'...

and
sometimes it is used of men
who fathered the child...
and
the context shows that....



conception happens
....
and that is the idea we have of 'begetting'...

yet,
the word 'yalad'
refers to the 'delivering'....
not the 'conceiving...

so it is possible to conceive and deliver...
and possible to 'deliver' a baby not conceived by the same...

the vss above show that
the 'yalad' happened long after conception...

the word 'yalad' is used...
is translated 'delivered' for it is obvious that it
is not speaking of the conception...

the word 'yalad' never refers to the conception,
but due to misconstuing in translation meaning,
we have come to add that idea to it...

translators understand this...
that is why it is wise to check the meaning of original
words, when reading 'any' translation...

too many facts are missed, misconstrued,
ignored, etc...
our understanding of words in this century is
far different from some of what is in the original....
 
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but when it says that Cush was the father of 5

But the scripture doesn't say he only had 5 children, it says he had those children, then a little later, he had Nimrod who "became a mighty man" on the Earth. There is no reason to believe that Cush is not the father of Nimrod. There is no reason to believe that the "beget" in reference to Nimrod was different than the "beget" to others who were born to fathers in that same chapter. I have read through countless biblical commentaries from ancient writers and have failed to find even one that says Cush is not the father of Nimrod. The only reason why you believe it is because you insist that Belial must be Nimrod. And if Nimrod is belial, he cannot be a "normal human spirit", he must be half a demon if he is going to possess the anti-Christ and rule the world. And why assume this? Why believe this when it is simpler to say... That Belial is another name for Satan. That Satan, that age old enemy, is the one who will possess the Anti-Christ just as Christians have believed for about 2000 years. It's making complicated theology out of simple sentences. And by the way, there is no evidence in the canon of scriptures of any of this theology of yours. It wasn't in Daniel, it wasn't in Revelation, it was all in those "non-Canon" books you so highly prize... Some of which doesn't even agree that Nimrod was a giant. You are taking the scripture of non-canon books, questionable books, interpreting them, and then reading that interpretation into canon when it really isn't supported at all. In the end, all this theology, all this hubbub, is based not on scripture but on the imagination of men.

You can try to twist meanings out of "yalads" or "gimmowrs" and constant other words, but you will never be able to truly justify such great leaps and bounds to any discerning reader. If that is what your book teaches, it will be popular only amongst the coastocoastam audience alone, and not to the Christian body at large.
 
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II Timothy 1:13 NAS
"Retain the standard of sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus."

Mankind uses tongues, lips, teeth, throat and lungs to issue sounds that are symbols of his thoughts. Words are simply symbols of things.

Morse code is meaningless to me, for though I have studied some other languages, morse code is foreign to me, and its sounds are just ‘noise’.

To some, the language of the Bible is almost as meaningless. We need to study the language, the words, the expressions of the Bible to fully know the thoughts of its Author.

God chose certain words to express His thoughts. In II Timothy 1:13, we are told to retain the ‘standard, form, pattern, model’ of the words. It is important that the words of the Bible be carefully and accurately defined into the definition meant by the Author.

When someone says something, and it is not understood, it may be a conflict of understanding, a conflict of word meaning, or phraseology unfamiliar to the hearer. Since God authored the Bible, but used secretaries of different ages and cultures... and meanings of words can change from the time written, to the time read... and cultural phraseology can be understood by the secretary who wrote, but not familiar to the reader now.

We need to define words as God, the Author, did, to know the same thought. We need to therefore seek the original meaning of the word, for words evolve, and alter in meaning, with the age. It is not Webster’s dictionary that would indicate the meaning... though it could still be correct, in many cases, words originally had variants of meaning.

The ideal thing would be for all of us to be proficient in Hebrew and Greek, and have also an understanding of the original meaning of the words of those languages. Without such, we need a reliable Bible dictionary, extended translations, and commentaries of scholars who do have such knowledge.

When the Bible was originally written, it was written in the common language of the day, not the classical form of a few highly educated ones, but the everyday language of the times. We have no right to attach our own ideas to words, or to look at all the possibilities of translation of the ages, and choose the one that fits our desires... NO! We need to study carefully to find which meaning and concept was meant by the Author.

This can be tedious, time consuming, but in the end, we find it rewarding beyond expectations...


For the most part, in many translations, scholars have done a good job. We still need to verify each verse. Some passages have variants, confusions, and need clarification. Time changes many meanings of words, and what was an accurate translation at the time, has become faulty due to age. For instance, ‘let’ in the KJV time, meant ‘hinder’, and now means ‘allow’. That word has completely reversed in meaning. ‘Baptism’ now can have variant meanings from times past when it meant ‘immersion’. The word ‘power’ can mean ‘authority’ or ‘mighty strength’. There are two Greek words, dunamis, and exousia, each meaning one of those two meanings. Yet, they are both usually translated ‘power’, so as to require we look to the original word to accurately understand the passage.


In the mind of the author, each word had but one meaning. But in languages, some words can be translated several ways. Which meaning had the Author??? It was once popular to look for more than one meaning, and then advocates of various doctrines would choose the one that most backed their chosen theology. But, God did not mean to be ambiguous, nor to create hostility in translations. If we were to need to leave, unexpectantly, and someone would be wondering where we went, and why we left... would we want to leave a note that would be a ‘riddle’??? Nor did God want to confuse us, our confusion is not due to His purpose, but to flaws in our understanding, our connotations.

The Author’s definition is always best. For instance, the verse of Romans 14:23: "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin..." Says to some, ‘unbelief in God is sin’. But, though that statement is truth, this is not the verse to prove it. The verse, when read in context, shows that it means that ‘if we think something is sin, and still do it, then for us, it is a sin.’ We need to check the Author’s whole discussion, to know what the Author meant by the words.
Many words have more than one meaning.

In English, the word ‘flesh’ has 15 meanings. "Life’ has 12 meanings. ‘Cross’ has 31 meanings (you may ‘cross him, cross a street, speak in a cross way, or die on a cross’, etc.).
In Greek and Hebrew, it is the same, many words can be translated in a variety of ways, but in each passage, only one way is correct. The meanings of the word in the time when written need to be checked. The context then needs to be studied, the purpose of the Author needs ascertained, and then we can decide which meaning fits best.

In Revelation 10, it says that ‘time shall be no more’. Yet, there are three and a half years of tribulation to yet come, then a 1000 year millennium, and then ‘ages’ of eternity. What does it mean? The word translated ‘time’ means ‘delay’. And the verse is saying that God decides there to ‘delay no longer’, and continues to the next step of His plan.

It should be recognized that some words have a specific Biblical meaning. It is the same in other things... For instance, golf has its own special meanings for words. One hits his ball onto the ‘green’, yet he was on green grass when he hit the ball... But ‘green’ has a special meaning in golf. So do the words, ‘bogie,’ ‘fairways,’ ‘birdie,’ and ‘eagle’. In math, we have special meanings for some words, as ‘carry’, ‘dividend’, and others. In religion, we have special meanings for words like ‘salvation’, ‘save’, ‘conversion’, ‘faith’, ‘gospel’...

Sentences are groups of words that express a complete thought. Many people have misunderstandings because of not following the rules of grammar. For instance, in I Corinthians 11:27, we are warned that we not ‘partake unworthily’.

‘Unworthily’ is an adverb, not an adjective, so it is not the person who is unworthy, but the manner of taking. So, there we are told to examine the manner of taking...

In another part, we are told to examine the person, and so, two parts of the situation needs to be addressed, not one.
Matthew 16:18 is interpreted by some that Peter is the rock upon which the church is built.

But "Peter" is from the word, ‘petros’ meaning ‘stone’, and the word for ‘rock’ means a solid block of rock. Jesus was not making a comparison, but a contrast. The church needs something stronger than a man to be built upon... It is the confession of Peter, the truth of it, that is the ‘rock’ upon which the church is built.

Our first duty is to find out what God has said in His Word. We read many ‘thus saith the Lord’. Just what is God trying to tell us? The Bible, as God’s message to mankind, is the most important book possible. His message must be properly interpreted, and submitted to...
 
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God has spoken in two ways, by precept, and by precedent.
Precepts are commandments, instructions. The are simple facts to believe, promises to accept, laws to obey.

Precedents are examples used as guides. God often showed us, instead of just telling us. For instance, the meeting of the church on the first day of the week, is not commanded, but Scriptures show that this was done (Acts 20:7, I Corinthians 16:2). Yet, if we want to meet another day, we find that it is allowable, for no precept was given. (Romans 14)...

So in interpreting the Bible, we need to determine if it is precept, or precedent, and remember not to confuse one with the other.

There is a silent area, a space which God gives, to allow some decisions to mankind. God did not want to do all the thinking for mankind, and does not robotic obedience. There are facts man can obtain on his own, and common personal opinion.

For instance, in prayer... We are commanded to pray... and that is precept. But, as to manner, we are allowed some variants. Should we kneel, lay prostrate, sit, stand, walk, stoop, or bow??? We could likely find precedents for all... Our own opinions, our choices... are not commanded, but God allows us individual free will. Though sometimes our free will may infringe on someone else’s, we are told to not misuse our opinions as did the scribes and pharisees (Matthew 15:3).



Sometimes, mankind can have unwise or improper opinions. God instructs us to carefully speak and behave in the ‘opinion, free choice’ areas (Romans 14). When Paul spoke to the Corinthians about marriage, he was careful to show that his opinion was based on the circumstances at the time, and his personal work (I Cor. 7:26-31, 9:5). When Christians disagree on diets, we are to likewise remember it is not precept upon which we made our choices (Rom. 14:1, 22).

There are three categories for all issues.

1. Scriptural
(God has said He agrees with the concept)

2. Unscriptural
(God never said ‘yes’ or ‘no’)

3. Anti-scriptural​
(God said He disagrees with the concept)

We have every right to do all that is not forbidden, unless it violates our own conscience, or unless it violates the law of love. So in our hermeneutical study, we need to see into which category everything falls.


Romans 14:13-17 NAS
"Therefore, let us not judge one another any more, but rather determine this, not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself, but to him who thinks anything (in the food area) to be unclean, to him it is unclean. For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food, him for whom Christ died. Therefore, do not let what is for you a good thing, to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit."​



 
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RULES IN UNDERSTANDING LANGUAGE

II Timothy 3:16
"...all Scripture is... profitable for doctrine...." Doctrine is two-fold. To the Lord, doctrinal truth is one giant truth. Yet, to our minds, we divide it up into many particular Bible truths. The Bible does not treat doctrines one at a time. We learn the various parts progressively, as we find the ONE truth unraveled. So, to study doctrinal truth in the Bible, we need to realize, the Bible is a unified presentation of doctrine. Though Jeremiah may emphasize God’s judgment, and Hosea may emphasize God’s mercy, we are seeing unfolded, parts of one doctrinal truth. Truth may be hard for our finite minds to see and comprehend, but as we develop and gain an understanding of the ONE truth, we find that godliness is produced in us.

Rule one....
Scripture is explained by Scripture...
The Bible is its own best interpreter. But many are too lazy or apathetic to study the whole of Scripture. These lazy ones make interpretations based on what is heard, or taught by someone else.

II Peter 1:20
"No prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation."
This tells us that we must find confirmation of any interpretation, by finding it in other parts of the Word of God. There is no doctrine that is to be based on only one passage of the Bible. If the interpretation has any merit, it should be found further explained elsewhere in the Bible.

II Corinthians 2:13
"...comparing spiritual things with spiritual..." This is further confirmation to what was just shown in the previous passage above.... Compare the parts of the truth taught, and when they harmonize and are confirmed by various passages, then we know we are properly interpreting God’s message.

II Timothy 3:15-17
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works... to make man wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."

No doctrine can be considered Biblical, unless it harmonizes with all Scriptures about it. So, to take one passage, and get a different message from it, than the other passages that relate to the same concept, is poor hermeneutics. So, study the whole of the verses on the subject, and be sure your interpretation harmonizes all of the passages.


Rule two...
As much as possible, take the words in their usual sense.

This does not always mean ‘literal’, for many words are obviously figurative or symbolic. Sometimes, the setting of the phrase indicates the sense of the word.
For instance, ‘faith’ ordinarily signifies ‘confidence’. Yet other meanings are possible. Galatians 1:23 ‘now preaches the faith which once he (Paul) destroyed...’ There ‘faith’ means ‘belief’ or ‘doctrine’. In Romans 14:23, ‘he that doubteth is damned, if he eat, because he eateth not of faith, and whatsoever is not of faith is sin." This shows that ‘faith’ here means ‘conviction’.

The word ‘salvation’ in Romans 13:11 ‘Now is our salvation nearer than when we believed...’ refers to the ‘coming of Christ.’ In Hebrews 2:3, ‘how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation?’, shows that it means ‘revelation of the gospel.’

‘Grace’ ordinarily means ‘unmerited favor’, as shown in Ephesians 2:8, ‘by grace are ye saved through faith...’ Yet, in Acts 14:3, ‘the Lord gave testimony of the word of grace’ shows it means ‘preaching the gospel’. In I Peter 1:13, ‘hope to the end, for the grace that is brought unto you’ shows it is a ‘blessedness’. In Hebrews 13:9, Titus 2:1, ‘it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace, and not with meats...’ shows that it is speaking of the ‘doctrine of the gospel.’


The word ‘flesh’ has many meanings. In Romans 3:20, ‘by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified...’ shows there is means ‘a person’. In Ezekiel 36:26, ‘I will give you a heart of flesh’ shows there it means a ‘disposition yielded and teachable.’ In Ephesians 2:3, ‘we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of the flesh’, shows there is means ‘sensual desire’. In I Timothy 3:16, ‘God was manifest in the flesh’, shows it means ‘human form’. Finally, if we look at Galatians 3:3, ‘having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?’, shows there it refers to ‘ceremonies like circumcision.’

The word ‘blood’ can be used in various senses. In Matthew 27:25, ‘His blood be on us..." shows that the word ‘blood’ means ‘guilt and its consequences.’ Yet, in Ephesians 1:7, ‘we have redemption through His blood’, showing blood to mean the sacrificial offering of Jesus.
We should take the words in their usual sense, but, as shown, sometimes we cannot. Therefore, we come to rule three...

Rule three...
Context determines the right interpretation
It is necessary to take the words in the sense in which the context indicates. The preceding and following words of what is being studied, must also be checked to see if we can determine what is meant.

For instance, Paul says (Ephesians 3:3-5) ‘ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ." What is this ‘mystery’? If we look at the previous verses, and those that follow, we see that the ‘mystery’ is the presentation of the gospel to the Gentiles, which had been a mystery not understood by Israel.

In Galatians 4:3, 9-11, we read ‘when we were children in bondage, under the elements of the world... we can wonder to what ‘elements’ refer... In the later verses, we find it refers to the practices of Jewish customs. The word ‘elements’ could mean other things elsewhere, but the context determines the right interpretation.

At times an obscure word is cleared up by a word that has almost the same significance or a word opposite or contrary.
For instance, the word covenant in Galatians 3:15-18, is cleared up with the use of the word ‘promise’.
At times a word that expresses a general idea is to be taken in a more restrictive sense due to some special circumstance that the context determines.

For instance, in Luke 16:1-13, telling the parable of the deceitful steward, and this deceitfulness of the steward is not given as the good example, but only in the realm of his prudence, and that alone is the part to be praised in him, not his dishonest practices.

In John 9:3, ‘neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents...’ is not meant that they had never sinned, but Jesus is speaking in a restrictive sense to the question about his blindness, and the blindness was not a result of any sin of the family.

At times, only by context can one determine whether an expression should be taken literally or figuratively.
For instance, Jesus calls wine to be the ‘blood of the new covenant’. The context shows that this is figurative, for the context shows that He also calls it to be the ‘fruit of the vine’. (Matthew 26:27-29)

When Jesus says ‘whoso eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood hath eternal life... My flesh is meat indeed, and My blood is drink indeed..." (John 6:48-63). This is figurative, not literal, and means we should appropriate the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.

In I Corinthians 3:5-15, Paul talks of ‘laborers together" building with ‘gold, silver, and precious stones, wood, hay, and stubble." The context shows that Paul is speaking figuratively, speaking of Christ s the foundation, and our works for Him as the building materials.

The context does tell us much to help us determine the meaning of many obscure passages. But, in amplification of this truth, we come to rule 4...

Rule 4...
The design of the book must be considered to understand the obscure words and phrases.

The design of a book is found by reading it, studying it repeatedly. When I wanted to do a study of Jeremiah, and later Ezekiel, and still later, Isaiah... I found that the reading of those books each, over and over.. cover to cover... till a pattern was noticed, the mood of the prophet was understood, the passions and message was not only understood, but felt... Then the design helped in understanding the obscure passages.

Sometimes the design of a book is spelled out in the book. Romans 15:4 = "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."
Other designs are shown in II Timothy 3:16-17, John 20:31, II Peter 3:1-2, Proverbs 1:1,4.

Understanding the design of the book, helps us understand obscure passages within that book. For instance, Galatians and Colossians were written due to the error of the Judaizers trying to change doctrines. And John, his gospel and epistles, were written to confront gnosticism. Jeremiah, the ‘weeping prophet’ needs read many times to sense his broken heart.

Paul says that a man is justified through faith without works (Romans 3:28). Yet, James says a man will have works if he has faith (James 2:24). When one looks at the design of each book, one will see that Paul is refuting those who think obeying the law with good works is the way of salvation. James is combating disorderly ones who say, I have faith, I can do unrighteous things..... Therefore, the design of each book, brings to light, that they were not in disagreement, but were speaking of errors to the opposite extremes.

In I John 3:9, ‘whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin’ is understood by some to mean that a Christian is incapable of sin. But in checking the design of the book, and the nature of the original Greek verbs, we find that John is saying a Christian does not make a practice of sin. Christians have a repugnance toward sin, and though one may stumble into sin, to continue in sin is hated... And if one does, then the loss of that ‘Christian’ position is lost.

Rule 5...
It is necessary to consult parallel passages.
Some passages elsewhere in the Bible deal with the same subject. The Bible is written not by different men, but different men wrote what the ONE Author had them write. Therefore, it should all harmonize. The parallel words, parallel ideas, and parallel teachings should be consulted to make each passage understandable.

Galatians 6:17 says ‘I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus"... What are these ‘marks’? In II Corinthians 4:10, we read "bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus.’ This is further understood by reading II Corinthians 11:23-25, where we see that Paul was beaten five times with a whip, and three times with rods. The marks were made by such instruments, were similar to the wounds of Jesus, and Paul had received them due to His commitment to Jesus.

Galatians 3:27 says that those baptized were ‘clothed with Christ’. The parallel passages to check are Romans 13:13-14, and Colossians 3:12-14. One says that clothing with Christ is the setting aside of luxuries, quarrels, and envyings. The other says that clothing as adoption and practicing humility, meekness, and tolerance. So, baptism is a sign of giving up the worldly life and raised to new life adorning oneself in pure, moral garments of Christianity. (((See also I Peter 3:3-6.)))

Was Balaam a prophet? In Numbers 22, and 24, he seems to be. But in II Peter 2:15-16, and Jude 11, we see that he was a pretended prophet, inspired by greed. Revelation 2:14 shows that he was responsible for sins that cost Israel 23,000 lives.

Proverbs 16:4 says ‘the Lord hath made all things for Himself yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Did God make the ungodly to condemn them in judgment, as calvinists teach. NO!!! for a multitude of other passages teach otherwise. So, the correct interpretation of that passage is that all things will bring glory to God, and even when the wicked stand in judgment, it will show God to be the just God that He is.
 
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Isaiah 28:13
"But the Word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
line upon line, line upon line,
here a little and there a little..."


The Bible, as we know it, has had many secretaries of God,
who wrote as they were inspired of the Holy Spirit
over a period of around 2000 years.

Yet, it ends up as one book.
The scribes, writing what God instructed,
came from many walks of life. The Spirit has used sermons, poetry, history, prophecy, laws, parables, proverbs, letters... in His revelation of God’s message to us.

There are 66 books in the current canon of Scripture. They are separate books, but not fragments of disjointed ideas... They are harmonious, blending together, .. As an orchestra has many instruments, but as the conductor directs, one beautiful song is heard. The Bible is like that orchestra and is playing for us the message of God.​

One must study the Bible only a bit to discover:​
the harmony of its purpose...​

The obvious purpose of the Bible is that God is revealing His will to sinful mankind, for the purpose of saving mankind.


Ephesians 1:1-23
"Having made known unto us, the mystery of His will... that in the dispensation of the fulness of times, He might gather together in one, all things in Christ."
the harmony of its theme...​

The theme of the Bible is redemption. It is not just a collection of moral ideas, stories, or religious instructions...​
the harmony of the story...​
The coming of Jesus is announced, in fact, history, as shown in the Bible is ‘HIS-story’.

John 20:30-31
"many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples, that are not written in this book, but these are written that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ..."​

the harmony of the structure...​

Every book is essential to the Bible, the structure of the Bible requires each part to the puzzle, to remove any book would destroy its unity.​

the harmony of doctrine...​

The Bible has one harmonious flow of teaching. Each law, each covenant, each commandment, each warning, and each blessing has its designed place.


The Bible presents a picture of history, in which the world was created perfect, but the sins of mankind have spoiled perfection. God then had to begin to unfold His ‘foreordained’ plan of redemption.

At first, a Savior is predicted to come, details of His coming are foretold. Finally, in the New Testament, we see Him come. Mankind rejects His teachings, and He is crucified. Three days later, He is resurrected, having defeated sin and death.

Then believers are encouraged to spread the Word as to how salvation and eternal life can be received.



Scholars have divided the Bible canon into two testaments.

The Old Testament has 39 books, the New Testament has 27 books. The word ‘testament’ means ‘will’... and it shows the fact that the Bible shows two parts to the salvation plan.

One, the old, is the time wherein an animal sacrifice was required to ‘cover’ sins of mankind...

The second, the new, shows the fulfillment of the typology of those animal sacrifices. Jesus came as ‘the Lamb of God’, and became our eternal propitiation for sin.


Within the Old Testament, there are four divisions of books. There are:
five books of law,
twelve books of history,
five books of poetry,
and
seventeen books of prophecy.

Within the New Testament, there are also four divisions of books. There are:
four gospels,
one book of history,
twenty-one letters,
and
one book of prophecy.​

The Gist of Each Book in our current canon...​
OLD TESTAMENT​

Genesis — beginnings
Exodus - deliverance from Egypt, law and tabernacle given
Leviticus - ceremonial law
Numbers - 40 year wanderings
Deuteronomy - rehearsal of history, laws, and warnings
Joshua - promised land conquered
Judges - living without a king
Ruth - ancestry of Messianic line
I Samuel - Saul’s and David’s reign
II Samuel - David’s reign
I Kings - Solomon’s reign
II Kings - Divided kingdom
I Chronicles - David’s reign
II Chronicles - Solomon’s reign, and divided kingdom
Ezra - return from captivity
Nehemiah - rebuilding walls of Jerusalem
Esther - Jews delivered by Hebrew maid who became queen
Job - problem of suffering
Psalms - collection of poems and songs for worship
Proverbs - wise sayings
Ecclesiastes - a search for happiness
Song of Solomon - poem of love and longing
Isaiah - exhortations to repentance, prophecies of Christ
Jeremiah - warnings of Babylonian captivity
Lamentations - poems lamenting judgment
Ezekiel - visions of judgment and restoration
Daniel - story of captives in Babylon, prophecies of kingdoms
Hosea - denouncements for unfaithfulness
Joel - predictions of God’s coming
Amos - denouncing apostasy
Obadiah - doom of Edom
Jonah - prophecies of Nineveh
Micah - prophecies of all of Israel and Judah
Nahum - doom of Nineveh
Habakkuk - prophecy of coming invasions
Zephaniah - prophecy of destruction and restoration
Haggai - urgency of rebuilding
Zechariah - rebuilding, and prophecy of Christ
Malachi - warnings to repent​

NEW TESTAMENT​
Matthew - life of Jesus (Jewish perspective)
Mark - life of Jesus (Roman perspective)
Luke - life of Jesus (Greek perspective)
John - proof Jesus is the Son of God
Acts - history of early church
Romans - fundamental truths of the faith
I Corinthians - correction of church problems
II Corinthians - vindication of a calling
Galatians - salvation by grace, not works
Ephesians - glory of redemption
Philippians - encouragement to the faithful
Colossians - supremacy of Christ Jesus
I Thessalonians - the Lord’s return
II Thessalonians - the Lord’s return
I Timothy - instructions to young leaders
II Timothy - instructions to young leaders
Titus - instructions to young leaders
Philemon - concerning runaway slave
Hebrews - superiority of the new covenant
James - works show faith
I Peter - encouragement to persecuted saints
II Peter - apostates and false prophets
I John - Christian love and conduct
II John - caution against false teachers
III John - caution against false teachers
Jude - warnings against false teachers
Revelation - chronological order of future events​
 
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Chapter and verse divisions were not in the original language. They first were added to the Bible in the 1500's. They can be a useful tool, but do not let it interfere with interpretation. Often they are inaccurate, for instance, why the division of chapters in the passage of Ephesians 1:15 to 2:7? And why the division of chapter in I Corinthians 12, 13, 14? Learn to use divisions, do not become a slave to them.

BIBLE PROPHECY...
The most ignored part of the Bible is the prophetic portion. The Bible is approximately one third ‘what God has done’, and one third ‘what God wants to do’, and one third ‘what God is going to do.’ Therefore, with one third of the Bible being prophetic, we cannot neglect that much of the Bible. Yet, due to misconstrued ideas, poor exegesis, and unsound doctrine of the ages, many avoid prophetic passages.


Bible prophecy is a revelation from God of what He wants us to know about His purpose toward mankind. Bible prophecy proves that God has foreknowledge...

Isaiah 46:9-11
"I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass."

Bible prophecy also proves God’s omnipotence, for what He has declared, He must have power to perform.

Isaiah 46:11
"I have purposed it, I will also bring it to pass."
Bible prophecy proves God wants to enlighten us. Why tell us what He will do???, unless He wants us to be informed?

II Peter 1:19-21
"holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."

As previously mentioned, one third of the Bible is prophecy,
and seventeen of the 66 books of the current canon, are entirely prophetic. There are seven times more prophecies on the second coming of Christ, than there were on His first coming. Of the 7957 verses of the New Testament, 1423 are prophetic, 950 of which are not yet fulfilled. Therefore, there is an abundance of message in the Bible, speaking to future events.


Of the 333 Old Testament details prophesied about Jesus first coming, Jesus Christ fulfilled all of them. The chances of doing such, are one in 84 followed by 97 zeroes. Forty of the 333 were fulfilled in 24 hours at His crucifixion.


All Bible prophecy centers on Jesus Christ.

Acts 10:43
"to Him, give all the prophets witness"

Revelation 19:10
"The testimony of Jesus, is the spirit of prophecy."

It is prophesied in the Bible, that in the last days, there will be a mocking of prophecy.

II Peter 3:3-4
"There shall come in the last days, scoffers... saying... Where is the promise of His coming?..."

We have seen such increase in mockers and sceptics. The mockers can point to many invalid predictions, and poor exegesis of some to come to ridiculous conclusions concerning prophetic teaching... but that does not negate the fact that there is a truth of revelation in the Bible for us. The devil knows that the world is on the verge of seeing many of the unfulfilled events to suddenly come to pass, and he is trying to nullify the effect of prophecy to this generation.


Many shy from Bible prophecy out of fear. They are mainly afraid in regards to Matthew 24:36: "no man can know the day nor the hour". But.. If they would read the whole passage, they would see verse 33: "when ye see these things, know that it is near.." Therefore, there are things we are to be looking for.. There are events to indicate ‘timing’ to us... And three times in that same passage, we are told to ‘watch’, which is the Greek word ‘gregoreo’ meaning to ‘stay awake, stay alert." So, to ignore Bible prophecy is not only unwise, it is disobedient.


Many are not anxious for heaven. It is like the story of the man who was about to die, who said: "I’ve resigned myself to die and go to heaven." That is an insult to God. Would you tell your mother, that you have "resigned" yourself to come to thanksgiving dinner? Are children ‘resigned’ to start summer vacation? Are employees ‘resigned’ to take their paychecks? It is a poor compliment to God, to be ‘resigned’ to go to heaven. Paul said, ‘for me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." If we understood more of the prophecies of the Bible, we would be more anxious for heaven. Jesus said of His prophetic message: "comfort one another with these words." If we truly have understanding of the prophecies of the Bible, we are comforted.


It is imperative upon us to search out all ‘three-thirds’... We need to know ‘what God has done’, and ‘what He wants us to do’, and also... ‘what He is going to do.’


Hebrews9:28
"Unto them that look for Him, shall He appear the second time."


C.M. Ward told the story of an old preacher who walked down a pathway, and came upon a boy sitting. ‘What are you doing?’ asked the preacher. ‘I am flying a kite!’ the boy replied. "I cannot see it, my eyes are not very good," spoke the preacher.
The boy responded, ‘Here, hold the string, if you cannot see it, maybe you can feel its pull.’


It is the same way with Bible prophecy, if you cannot see the prophetic revelations, you, at least, ought to feel the pull of the Lord on our hearts. He is coming soon.
 
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BOOKS NOT IN OUR CANON


We hear of the apocrypha, pseudo-pigrapha, others letters of Paul or of Peter, the Logia, Q, the gospel of Thomas, the Nag Hamadi, etc... What are all these writings? Are they real? Do they belong in the Bible? Are they inspired of God?


Apocrypha are ‘hidden books’. The word ‘apocrypha’ comes from two Greek words, ‘apo’ meaning ‘from’, and ‘kryptein’ meaning ‘to hide’. These are books that have been ‘hidden’, not openly distributed. These books contain idioms, firguarative language, types, symbols, etc. Therefore, to many the meaning can be ‘hidden. Some in the early years of the church referred to some canonical books as ‘apocryphal’ due to the hidden truths within them. They were not inferring that they were non canonical, nor inferring that they were not true, only that the kind of information within them was ‘hidden’. Some of the books called ‘apocryphal’ are purposely omitted from the current canon. The council of Jamnia, in 90 A.D., after the fall of Jerusalem, observed the rise of Christianity using certain books that clearly showed what the Messiah would do in the first coming. The council of Jewish leaders, removed from their canon those books. The Book of Enoch, the Apocalypse of Isaiah, and others were taken from the canon of their
Scriptures, and the law and precepts were emphasized. Later, when Jerome, Augustine, and some others put the canon of the Christians together, they simply took the canon agreed on by the Council of Jamnia for the Old Testament books. This meant they were ignoring books that were in the Septuagint, as the version quoted by Jesus, and books that Jude and others quoted. Therefore, the current canon, could be debated as to its correctness, and completeness.

Some apocryphal books are included in the Roman Catholic canon, but are not in the Protestant canon.
I and II Maccabees
I Esdras
Wisdom of Solomon
Eccleasticus (Wisdom of Jesus, son of Sirach)
Tobit
Judith
Rest of Esther
Song of the Three Children
Susanna
Bel and the Dragon
Baruch
Epistle of Jeremiah
II Esdras
Prayer of ManassehOther apocryphal books include:
Apocalypse of Elijah
Apocalypse of Isaiah
Book of Enoch
Testament of Moses
Testimonies of the Patriarchs
Gospel of the Hebrews (Logia)
Gospel According to the Egyptians
Gospel According to Peter
The Protevangelium of James
The Gospel of Thomas (gnostic)
Acts of Paul
Acts of Thecla
Epistle of Barnabas
Epistle of Clement
Shepherd of Hermas
Didache (Teaching of the 12 Apostles)
Apocalypse of James
Apocalypse of Paul
Apocalypse of Peter
and more...

Some are valid and actually written by the one claiming to be the writer. Some are pseudo-pigrapha, and are written by ‘liars’ claiming to be someone else. God does not inspire that lie, nor the rest of the book they have written. Some were written by cultic factions of the early church, to try to validate their heresy. Just as we have books today, that are not in the Bible, but are written by Godly persons, we can read them, enjoy them, test them by the Word... and not be sinning. The same with these books. They need tested, validated as to their authenticity, inspiration, and doctrinal correctness...
FORMATION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT....​

Eusebius (200-340 A.D.) was a bishop of Caesarea. He lived during Diocletian’s persecution of Christians, and was even imprisoned during that time. One of Diocletian’s goals was to destroy the Christian Scriptures. For ten years the different books considered ‘Scripture’ by Christians, was hunted by soldiers of Rome.

So, even amidst the Christians, there was a desire to decide which books were Scripture.


Eusebius, lived into the reign of Constantine, who accepted Christianity, and made it mandatory to be a Christian. Eusebius became one of his preeminent spiritual advisors. Constantine ordered that 50 ‘Sacred Scriptures’ be prepared for the churches of Constantinople. Eusebius was to determine which books would be included, and some skillful copyists were chosen to help him prepare these 50 copies of Scriptures.

Eusebius chose the same 27 books that are now in our current New Testament canon.


Some of those 27 books were disputed by some. Some differed with Eusebius on his choice of James, II Peter, Jude, and II and III John. Some books called ‘spurious’ by Eusebius, and were not included. These were Acts of Paul, Shepherd of Hermas, Apocalypse of Peter, Epistle of Barnabas, and the Didache (this book had been altered from its original form).

Some books were called ‘forgeries of heretics’ by Eusebius. There were ‘Gospel of Peter, Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Matthias, Acts of Andrew, and Acts of John. These were forgeries by those who were trying to support the gnostic heresy.


The Council of Carthage in 397 A.D. expressed unanimous judgment that the 27 books chosen by Eusebius were Scripture. Yet, they did not say that some other books not chosen by him, were not Scripture. So, the 27, even then were not considered to be the only books worthy of the name... ‘Scripture’.


Some books we term ‘apocryphal’ were in the Septuagint (as used by Jesus and the apostles), but were not chosen by the Jamnian council in 90 A.D.
Jerome and Augustine put these back into the canon of Scripture, but later the protestant reform removed them again. So, they were in the Septuagint, the old Latin version, and later the Latin Vulgate, and the Douay version. They were even in the original King James Version, but removed in the 1800's.

OTHER APOCRYPHAL WORKS...

The Book of Enoch
This book was quoted by Jude into the Bible. It was often referred to by the early church. It was used extensively until Jerome and Augustine kept it from the canon of the Bible. The Ethiopic church kept it as part of their canon throughout the ages.

The Book of Jubilees
This book is a commentary on Genesis. It forecasts a thousand year period that will be free of the devil.

Testament of Moses
This prophetic book was written by Moses, just preceding his death.

The Apocalypse of Isaiah
This book deals mainly with the coming of Jesus Christ.The Apocalypse of Elijah
This book has been largely ignored by scholars, and yet, its prophetic message of the Messianic age proved detailed and precise.

The Testimonies of the Twelve Patriarchs
The sons of Jacob were characters. Yet, the gates of Jerusalem are named for them. They, in their later lives, became men of respect and honor. This book was likely carried by Paul, for he quotes from it extensively in his writings.


Adulterated books...
The Gospel of the Hebrews, The Gospel of the Ebionites were originally called the Logia. The Logia was written by the disciples in the few years following Jesus’ ascension, using mostly Matthew’s notes. It was the original gospel, and the other gospels of our canon used it extensively in preparing their Greek gospels. (Logia will be discussed more in a further chapter). The Ebionite heretics of the early church age adulterated the Logia, making their gospel by adding, changing, and omitting portions of the Logia. Gnostic Heresiesgospel of thomas

The gospel of thomas comes from a 4th century manuscript in Coptic. There are 114 sayings of Jesus (supposedly) in this book. It is a gnostic heresy, not actually written by Thomas, but even that part is a lie.

"Q" supporters try to use it for proof that there must be a ‘Q’ text somewhere, similar to ‘thomas’, and that it was the original gospel. The gospel of thomas plays a big part in the Q debate. The non-existence of Q, and the non-existence of even a reference in the early church to it, is the big problem.


The gospel of thomas shows a gospel without a passion narrative, and Q supporters want to find such a gospel that would date to the first century. The Q supporters do not want to believe in a crucifixion and resurrection. So, they want a gospel that does not have that part. They hope to prove that that passion narrative of the canonical gospels was added later. Yet, evidence still unfolds, that the canonical gospels come from the first century, and copies, references to them, quotes from them abound more and more.


The gospel of thomas was not mentioned by the church fathers until centuries following the ascension of Jesus. Recent evidence points to the fact that it could not have been composed before 140 A.D., making it impossible to have been written by Thomas himself. A.D. 140 is seventy years later than the canonical gospels. The only complete copy is from 400 A.D. Eusebius calls it a forgery and a fake. Every church father who mentioned it called it heretical and gnostic in origin. The gnostic cult wanted to have some gospel that would back their heresies, and therefore, created their own.

BOOKS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE,
BUT NOT IN THE CANON...
Book of Nathan = II Chronicles 9:29
Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite - II Chron. 9:29
Visions of Iddo the Seer - II Chronicles 9:29
Book of Jehu - II Chronicles 20:34
Apocalypse of Isaiah - II Chron. 26:22, 32:32
Book of Jasher - II Samuel 1:18, Joshua 10:13
Book of Gad - I Chron. 29:29
Book of Shemaiah, the Prophet - II Chron. 12:15
Book of the Wars of the Lord - Numbers 21:14
Book of Enoch - Jude 14-15
Testament of Moses - Jude 9-10

God did not include these into the canon of our Bible, but honored them, by having them mentioned in the books of the canon.​
 
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The Book of Enoch


In Jude 14-15, Jude quotes from ‘The Book of Enoch", and tells us of Enoch’s prophetic message of the Lord’s second coming. I was intrigued by that quote, and began a search, some years back, for a copy of such book. If the early church read and enjoyed this book by Enoch, and God had Jude quote some of it into the Bible, then I too wanted to read that book.

Soon, I learned that there were three books that purported to be ‘The Book of Enoch’. It was not uncommon in certain times for people to falsely claim their own writings to be written by one of the prophets.


One book that I found is now entitled Enoch III, and it did not have the quote in it that Jude used. It was an obvious fake. Another book called ‘Enoch II’ also lacked such quote, and seemed to me to be a summary of other works. I consider it also to be a fake, a pseudo-pigrapha.


"Enoch I’ did have the quote, and over a period of seven years, I researched and studied this book. I was unable to find any fact that contradicts the Bible within it. The oldest manuscripts date to 200 to 300 years before Christ’s first coming, and yet, the book contains concepts not understood until the Christian era. Enoch’s description of the coming Messiah sound as though they were written by someone in the Christian era.


For this reason, the early church, after the resurrection of Jesus, used the Book of Enoch very effectively in showing the Jewish people that Jesus did fit the role prophesied for the Messiah. The Jewish people lost interest in the Book of Enoch, because so many had converted to Christianity due to its influence.


A historical council of the Jewish faith, in Jamnia, in 90 A.D., fixed the canon of their Scriptures for the Jews. This followed the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. That event, and the inroads of Christianity converting many Jewish people to Jesus, made them exclude the Book of Enoch from their canon.

Quotations of Enoch’s book in the ‘Testaments of the Patriarchs’, and in the ‘Book of Jubilees’ show that the Book of Enoch had been considered inspired in 200 B.C. Jude quotes it in the first century showing his belief in its authenticity. Barnabus, in a book written in that same era also quoted it. The early church, in its first 300 years, quoted it often, and often preached from its text.

The early church referred to the Book of Enoch.
Jude vv. 14-15
Barnabas 4:3, 16:15
Clement of Alexander
Origen
Tertullian
Anatolus of Laodicea
Ireneas
and Justin Martyrall referred to the Book of Enoch as inspired.


Nearly all the writers of the New Testament show they were familiar with the Book of Enoch, and were favorably influenced by it. Yet, around the fourth century, after the book being given acceptance for centuries, a major part of the church removed the book, and added some ‘apocryphal’ books to the canon. It was due to the efforts of Jerome and Augustine that the Book of Enoch was rejected. They objected to it because of the story of the angels who co-habited with women in the days preceding and following the flood. This is recorded in the current canon also, but Enoch gave much more detail of such events, and Jerome and Augustine were not agreeable to its obvious and undeniable details. The current canon of the Bible is vague enough, that some today can still resist the acceptance of the race of giants that came from such improper union.


Jerome and Augustine failed in getting the council to vote that Enoch was uninspired... so they forced a vote to make the council to choose between the book of Revelation, and the Book of Enoch. The council voted for the book of Revelation. This is like having to choose between the gospels written by Matthew and Luke. The Book of Enoch was omitted entirely from the canon, and hidden away in the Vatican library.


The Book of Enoch passed out of circulation, and later, when the Protestant reform came, the book was lost, and unable to be replaced in the canon. There were a few isolated areas, where the Catholic church never had control, that the book continued to be included in the canon of the Scriptures.

In 1768, James Bruce located a copy of the Book of Enoch in Ethiopia, and brought it back to England. In Ethiopia, the Coptic, and Abyssinian church has always accepted the book as inspired Scripture. They had protected it down through the ages. Though it had been lost to most of the Christian world for many centuries, it was still preserved there.


Fifty years after James Bruce brought it to England, Richard Laurence made a first modern translation. Later, R.H. Charles made another translation using some Greek excerpts, and more Ethiopian texts. Then recently, Michael A Knibb, using many texts, and partial texts, put together an ‘adequate’ translation. Yet, all of these translations are rough, obscure, and confusing. The Dead Sea Scrolls contained many copies and partial copies of the Book of Enoch, second only to copies found of Isaiah book. Using all of these, along with an in-depth study of book, I have prepared this paraphrase/translation. Along with such, I have included an annotated commentary to help in its comparison with the Bible.

The Book of Enoch has much to say to the Christian community. A revival of interest in the book at the time of Jesus’ first coming aided greatly in the revival days of the early church. A revival of interest in the same book is occurring in these last days before the second coming of Jesus.



Today, we have many authors, each writing books which the Christian community enjoys. Their books are not included in our canon of the Bible, but are enjoyed and honored in the degree to which they adhere to Biblical dogma.

Those books by Christian authors are honored if we decide them to be Biblical, though they are not books contained in our canon. In the same way, we should honor books written in former eras, by men of God, if we find them to be Biblical.

Therefore, test this Book of Enoch, by the Word of God, and if you find it to be Scriptural and true by such test, enjoy it.


Enoch’s first ministry was to a pre-flood judgment. He was raptured to heaven, as was Elijah, and will soon return to the days just preceding the second coming of Jesus. He will resume his prophetic ministry, along with Elijah, as one of the two witnesses of the tribulation period. Enoch was one of the first great prophets, and he will be also one of the last of the prophets.​
 
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google ancient ''red haired giants''
theres plenty

yes they are still on earth
bankers

read enough youll make the connection

they have been found in america too
bones that is

titan/nephilim/giants

the giants today are transnational corporations who rule the earth
again if you study enough youll get it






ROTHSCHILD AND OTHER RED THINGS
http://www.tribwatch.com/redshield.htm
ROTHSCHILD - RED SHIELD - GOG MAGOG
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/39483
Ownership Chart: The Big Six
http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main
Rothschild family Wki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
The Illuminati and the House of Rothschild
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/08aug/redshield.html
 
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I caught this thread late, I honestly dont know if anyones posted any pics. I didnt go through all 18 pages, but anyways heres some pics of nephilim skeletons.

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No scale to this one so potentially faked.
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This is skeleton was supposeldy found in Saudua Arabia. The next photo below is supposedly the site of a mastadon but was supposeldly aletered to make the nephilim photo above. The mastadon seems the most fake to me. The detail in the bones between the two is striking, not including the angles of the shadows in both. The nephilim bones have a ancient texture of something being underground for thousands of years and the shodows are in a consistent direction and angle. The mastadon bones have a wierd polished brown to it, and a few noticable shadows are in different directions. They could have had multiple lamps shining on it though, but th again there would be two shadows, one for each lamp, do a simple experiment at home if you dont believe me.
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Themastadon seems the most fake to me (my own opinion :) ).
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The above pic could potentially be fake, The level change of the earth to skeleton, but its potentially real. Thene again it could be fake, who knows.
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But you cannot deny this. The ladder and box car as scale, not mentioning the age of the picture in general.
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I wonder how primitive man was gonna move this? The nephilim explain stonhenge, the pyramids, incan and myan temples, all ancient monolithic stone strucutres modern man could not build today.

History is censored, and archeological finds are suppressed. The Bible has all the answers, its mans most accurate history book possibly encluding Enoch and Jubiless (my opinion, not necessarily everyone elses). Other lost books like 2 Baruch and The Book of Giants discuss the nephilim and fallen angels. I do wanna say the Book of Giants is a collection of ancient excerpts from various civilizations. Most are not Christian or Jewish in origin but they all discuss the nephilim, the fallen angels and Enoch.
 
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The early church referred to the Book of Enoch.
Jude vv. 14-15
Barnabas 4:3, 16:15
Clement of Alexander
Origen
Tertullian
Anatolus of Laodicea
Ireneas
and Justin Martyrall referred to the Book of Enoch as inspired.​
The early church ≠ first churches

You could show me a list of trillions of believers saying that the book of Enoch is from God and I wouldn't be convinced by a single one of them.

The early church needs to have mentioned and elaborated on the doctrine of 1 Peter 1:22-23 to be a credible authority.

It was due to the efforts of Jerome and Augustine that the Book of Enoch was rejected. They objected to it because of the story of the angels who co-habited with women in the days preceding and following the flood. This is recorded in the current canon also, but Enoch gave much more detail of such events, and Jerome and Augustine were not agreeable to its obvious and undeniable details. The current canon of the Bible is vague enough, that some today can still resist the acceptance of the race of giants that came from such improper union.
God bless their souls. It was the proper time to suppress that book.

Jerome and Augustine failed in getting the council to vote that Enoch was uninspired... so they forced a vote to make the council to choose between the book of Revelation, and the Book of Enoch. The council voted for the book of Revelation.
A wise decision.​
 
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IHistory is censored, and archeological finds are suppressed. The Bible has all the answers, its mans most accurate history book possibly encluding Enoch and Jubiless (my opinion, not necessarily everyone elses). Other lost books like 2 Baruch and The Book of Giants discuss the nephilim and fallen angels. I do wanna say the Book of Giants is a collection of ancient excerpts from various civilizations. Most are not Christian or Jewish in origin but they all discuss the nephilim, the fallen angels and Enoch.

Are any of these pictures from reputable scholarly sources? Or are they just posted on the internet? I would think finds like this would be publicized just for the amount of money the media would make. There would definitely be money here, and wherever there is money, you know the media would want to jump on it. It seems to me that they have more of an incentive to publicize this rather than conceal it. That's just capitalism. haha.
 
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This is my first thread on Biblical Archaeology, but I thought I'd post this question here. Does anyone know if there is evidence of nephillium that has been found? And from reading the bible it sounds like they weren't even destroyed in the flood and may still exist today?


YES

Do a www search type in "Gigantpithicus" and/or "Meganthrops."

Watch out for the fakes!

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