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Being at war with flesh is no more about not having sex than not eating.
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Being at war with flesh is no more about not having sex than not eating.You don't read a lot of Paul... that man was constantly at war with flesh... but if course he had his own issues...
So yes the devil and his angels will be cast to earth. Yes Jesus comes after the tribulation as well as before when He takes us away with Him.Jesus will return ONLY After the tribulation.
Matthew 24:29-31
You cannot back up with Scripture the claim that Jesus will come twice.
This have all to do with it .The "Aliens" that Hawking fears are in reality the fallen angels and their master (Lucifer)...the same that will be cast out of Heaven mentioned in Revelation 12:7-9. That is the part that Hawking and most of Humanity is not aware.
The real "stars wars".
Revelation 12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him.
Cultish blather aside, do you think the science dudes areright wanting to evaluate?Can you show us where in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 it is mentionned that we (the believers) still alive will go to Heaven with Jesus after that we will meet Jesus in the air unto His unique coming yet to come ?Jesus will come TO LIVE ON the EARTH not to return to Heaven. Have you lost your capacity to understand God's words because of your belief in the falsehood Pre Tribulation Rapture of the Church to Heaven man made doctrine ?
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17King James Version (KJV)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ****
****The believers will be forever with Jesus when Jesus will come on the Earth to establish His Kingdom AFTER the Tribulation.
as well AS BEFORE when He takes us away with Him.So yes the devil and his angels will be cast to earth. Yes Jesus comes after the tribulation as well as before when He takes us away with Him.
Being at war with flesh is no more about not having sex than not eating.
This is not the place to straighten you out.as well AS BEFORE when He takes us away with Him.
Why are you still unable to PROVE with the Bible that Jesus will come BEFORE the Tribulation to take us away with Him ?
I defy you or AV1611VET to find a Bible Verse saying that Jesus will come BEFORE the Tribulation to take us away with Him to Heaven .
The only thing that you have showed so far is a wishful thinking ...which is as delusional than Hawking desire to quit the Earth !
Yes, great guy. He was a man not afraid of aliens, and not cowering and begging to evacuate the planet.You haven't read any Paul, have you?
Zephaniah 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,as well AS BEFORE when He takes us away with Him.
Why are you still unable to PROVE with the Bible that Jesus will come BEFORE the Tribulation to take us away with Him ?
I defy you or AV1611VET to find a Bible Verse saying that Jesus will come BEFORE the Tribulation to take us away with Him to Heaven .
The only thing that you have showed so far is a wishful thinking ...which is as delusional than Hawking desire to quit the Earth !
Show me a verse we twiddle our thumbs in a cloud rather than go to the place He prepared!as well AS BEFORE when He takes us away with Him.
Why are you still unable to PROVE with the Bible that Jesus will come BEFORE the Tribulation to take us away with Him ?
I defy you or AV1611VET to find a Bible Verse saying that Jesus will come BEFORE the Tribulation to take us away with Him to Heaven .
The only thing that you have showed so far is a wishful thinking ...which is as delusional than Hawking desire to quit the Earth !
Sorry AV1611VET, but there is no mention of a removal to Heaven before the Tribulation in these verses.Zephaniah 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Your capacity to interpret God's words is very weak.Show me a verse we twiddle our thumbs in a cloud rather than go to the place He prepared!
Sorry Riberra, but there is no mention of 'the lord Jesus' in this verse.Sorry AV1611VET, but there is no mention of a removal to Heaven before the Tribulation in these verses.
Zephaniah 1:15 is about when the lord Jesus will come on the Earth and destroy the unbelievers.
Read some verses before and after Zephaniah 1:15 you will see that the subject is about the Day of Wrath and Terror of the Lord....The Day of the Lord .Sorry Riberra, but there is no mention of 'the lord Jesus' in this verse.
(See how this game can go?)
The tribulation period.If the Day of the Lord mentionned is not about our Lord Jesus returning on Earth with wrath against the unbelievers,then what is it ?
You need to revise your notions .The tribulation period.
I read an obscure article somewhere I'm sure could be googled, by an RC priest who theorized Paul had latent homosexual tendencies. Maybe some protestants have tried to float that same theory too, I don't know. I have looked at some pretty harsh reviews of Paul. I think this is great, we try to sort this out. Some people seem to get carried away sometimes, but this thread has provoked thought for me, is my point, not to jab at Catholics.You don't read a lot of Paul... that man was constantly at war with flesh... but if course he had his own issues...
I read an obscure article somewhere I'm sure could be googled, by an RC priest who theorized Paul had latent homosexual tendencies. Maybe some protestants have tried to float that same theory too, I don't know. I have looked at some pretty harsh reviews of Paul. I think this is great, we try to sort this out. Some people seem to get carried away sometimes, but this thread has provoked thought for me, is my point, not to jab at Catholics.
They do take a lot of cheap shots sometimes.
He was rather well dressed, for the age:
I specialize in things above interpretation actually.Your capacity to interpret God's words is very weak.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
Jesus will descend from Heaven to establish His kingdom on the Earth.That is the reason why Jesus will come.
We (believers) will for ever be with Jesus to live in His Kingdom HERE ON THE EARTH.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17King James Version (KJV)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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