Near Death Experiences

[David_AB]

I recently saw a David Platt video where he was talking about NDE's like visitations to heaven/hell etc and I'm sure he said there was no scriptural basis for them.
He felt that these were either hallucinations or demonically inspired.
I am sure he even referred to the Heaven Is Real story. Todd Burpo, a pastor, his son had a NDE for those that are unfamiliar with the story.
I wish I could find the link David Platt's video here but I wondered what others thoughts on this were.
What he said makes some sense. Once we die we are gone from this world with no way back. The veil is too thick so to speak.

 

[JackRT]

The NDE seems to be a natural phenomenon caused by the brain's reaction to oxygen starvation. The experience seems to be culturally/religiously biased. Where a Christian might meet Jesus, a Hindu might encounter Krishna.

 

[CrystalDragon]

I recently saw a David Platt video where he was talking about NDE's like visitations to heaven/hell etc and I'm sure he said there was no scriptural basis for them.
He felt that these were either hallucinations or demonically inspired.
I am sure he even referred to the Heaven Is Real story. Todd Burpo, a pastor, his son had a NDE for those that are unfamiliar with the story.
I wish I could find the link David Platt's video here but I wondered what others thoughts on this were.
What he said makes some sense. Once we die we are gone from this world with no way back. The veil is too thick so to speak.

"Demonically inspired"? No. That's like saying sleep paralysis or seizures are caused by demons.

Brain thing? Possibly. After all, some Hindus who have NDEs see Hindu gods, and if NDEs were legitimate religious experiences it would imply that the Hindu gods are just as real as Jesus. Though for the record, the Israelites were originally henotheistic meaning they thought many gods existed but worshipped only one.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I recently saw a David Platt video where he was talking about NDE's like visitations to heaven/hell etc and I'm sure he said there was no scriptural basis for them.
He felt that these were either hallucinations or demonically inspired.
I am sure he even referred to the Heaven Is Real story. Todd Burpo, a pastor, his son had a NDE for those that are unfamiliar with the story.
I wish I could find the link David Platt's video here but I wondered what others thoughts on this were.
What he said makes some sense. Once we die we are gone from this world with no way back. The veil is too thick so to speak.

That is not entirely true, NDE could be taken in like form as John's vision in Revelation 1 where he fell down "as dead".

Death is not the end of life, Jesus raised people to life, Peter did and Paul did too. There is even testimonies that Smith Wigglesworth did and he lived within the last 100 years. So people can come back from death, but truth be told, I don't necessarily put a lot of credence in NDE. My faith rests in God and that is good enough for me. I don't need a NDE to tell me heaven is real.

God bless!

 

[David_AB]

That is not entirely true, NDE could be taken in like form as John's vision in Revelation 1 where he fell down "as dead".

Death is not the end of life, Jesus raised people to life, Peter did and Paul did too. There is even testimonies that Smith Wigglesworth did and he lived within the last 100 years. So people can come back from death, but truth be told, I don't necessarily put a lot of credence in NDE. My faith rests in God and that is good enough for me. I don't need a NDE to tell me heaven is real.

God bless!

That raises an interesting point. Lazarus was dead for some time. I wonder what he would recall, if anything, during the time he was dead. Maybe nothing, until judgement day.

 

[David_AB]

"Demonically inspired"? No. That's like saying sleep paralysis or seizures are caused by demons.

Yeah, I didn't get that bit. Why would demons give people visions of heaven or hell.
The last thing they want is people believing there's a hell.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

That raises an interesting point. Lazarus was dead for some time. I wonder what he would recall, if anything, during the time he was dead. Maybe nothing, until judgement day.

This is true, and scriptures do state Lazarus had quite the gathering once he was raised. I am almost positive that question was asked. Although his answers would have been more like what we find in Luke 16:19-31 where he was in Abraham's bosom than Heaven per se. Jesus hadn't been glorified yet so he couldn't have seen heaven as we think of it.

 

[Radrook]

Yeah, I didn't get that bit. Why would demons give people visions of heaven or hell.
The last thing they want is people believing there's a hell.

If it propagates the first lie that man doesn't really die but is essentially an immortal soul then it would serve his purpose.

It would also serve his purpose in depicting God as a sadistic fiend who wants anyone who opposes him roasted alive forever. Which means that being criminally insane God isn't qualified to rule the universe.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

If it propagates the first lie that man doesn't really die but is essentially an immortal soul then it would serve his purpose.

It would also serve his purpose in depicting God as a sadistic fiend who wants anyone who opposes him roasted alive forever. Which means that being criminally insane God isn't qualified to rule the universe.

Criminally insane as defined by a morally bankrupt human race... makes perfect sense.

 

[CrystalDragon]

If it propagates the first lie that man doesn't really die but is essentially an immortal soul then it would serve his purpose.

It would also serve his purpose in depicting God as a sadistic fiend who wants anyone who opposes him roasted alive forever. Which means that being criminally insane God isn't qualified to rule the universe.

Criminally insane as defined by a morally bankrupt human race... makes perfect sense.

Reading these posts honestly has me think of this song:

 

[Radrook]

Reading these posts honestly has me think of this song:

Yet you find the proposition that a loving entity would roast people alive forever totally sane?

Very strange indeed!

 

[Radrook]

Criminally insane as defined by a morally bankrupt human race... makes perfect sense.

So if a person roasts someone alive and we consider that person criminally insane we are morally bankrupt? Excuse me but I find that conclusion rather morally bizarre.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Steve Petersen]

That raises an interesting point. Lazarus was dead for some time. I wonder what he would recall, if anything, during the time he was dead. Maybe nothing, until judgement day.

Isn't it odd that no record exists that he told anybody anything about what it was like to be dead?

 

[David_AB]

Isn't it odd that no record exists that he told anybody anything about what it was like to be dead?

It is rather odd.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

So if a person roasts someone alive and we consider that person criminally insane we are morally bankrupt? Excuse me but I find that conclusion rather morally bizarre.

It is just humorous that man now decides what is and isn't morally acceptable for God. Or what a perfect and holy God should and shouldn't do in judgement. This is what we call creating a god in our image.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Isn't it odd that no record exists that he told anybody anything about what it was like to be dead?

Well considering he lived 2,000 years ago if he had left a record of it chances are highly likely it would be gone by now. Anyways it still would not mean much to us today because his experience would have been vastly different since his death occurred under Mosaic Law.

 

[Steve Petersen]

It is just humorous that man now decides what is and isn't morally acceptable for God. Or what a perfect and holy God should and shouldn't do in judgement. This is what we call creating a god in our image.

What does the Bible actually say about near death experiences then?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Well considering he lived 2,000 years ago if he had left a record of it chances are highly likely it would be gone by now. Anyways it still would not mean much to us today because his experience would have been vastly different since his death occurred under Mosaic Law.

Why wouldn't his story of life after death have been put into the New Testament?

Another case of missing evidence as so often happens with Bible 'proofs.'

 

[Radrook]

It is just humorous that man now decides what is and isn't morally acceptable for God. Or what a perfect and holy God should and shouldn't do in judgement. This is what we call creating a god in our image.

The only deity being created here is the one you describe who roasts humans alive forever and makes sure that they are alive so he can slowly roast them as they scream. Also, your concept of perfection and holiness is warped.

BTW

Describing yourself as more decently humane than God by claiming to be incapable of imitating him by using torture on humans or animals as punishment isn't exactly worshipping God or being respectful. It constitutes a defamation of his personality in imitation of Satan. Also your refusal to use torture on others yourself speaks volumes.