NC towns cancel Christmas parades after protests over Confederate group

[RestoreTheJoy]

Yes, dying out. Younger evangelicals are not fully on board with all of the Christian Right hot button issues, such as hostlity to "out" LGBTs and gun control.

Abortion is a separate question, really. Not all of us who think abortion is wrong agree with the Christian
Right's approach to the problem.

Actually, all of those issues are quite nuanced, not just abortion.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

True.



No...the subjective interpretation is that it's just some white supremacist symbol with no history is the subjective part.

The fact is there are plenty of people who display the flag as a connection to some sense of southern heritage and they aren't in any way "white supremacists".

Northerner here, but that's completely accurate.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

A town in North Carolina has canceled its Christmas parade over fears of protests due to the planned inclusion of a group bearing the Confederate flag. Wake Forest officials said last week the parade would include the Sons & Daughters of the Confederacy as it had for more than two decades.
North Carolina town cancels Christmas parade with Confederate group

Good, I warned people the Confederate flag and the people , that defend it, is evil to some people. If Confederate people cared for the parade, or the people, that think it's pure evil. They would do the right thing and stop their nonsense. But they don't care. So they ruined the parade.

 

[durangodawood]

The relevant words are "as it has for more than two decades"...

Now thats interesting.

So endurance is what makes ideas or activities correct?

 

[Speedwell]

Define the "Christian right that makes up 25% of the population".

Conservative white Evangelicals.

 

[Speedwell]

Northerner here, but that's completely accurate.

No, its' not. I did not say that flag had no history, only that it was never the national flag of the Confederate States.

 

[Ironhold]

Now thats interesting.

So endurance is what makes ideas or activities correct?

More like "Why did it take so long for people to finally decide it was inappropriate? These groups had all this time to raise an objection."

 

[durangodawood]

More like "Why did it take so long for people to finally decide it was inappropriate? These groups had all this time to raise an objection."

Who cares. If its wrong, its wrong.

 

[mala]

More like "Why did it take so long for people to finally decide it was inappropriate? These groups had all this time to raise an objection."

because up until very recently their objections were either entirely ignored or they were "encouraged" to sit down and shut up. none of this stuff is at all recent unless you've had your head under a rock since you were born.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Conservative white Evangelicals.

Ha ha. I seriously doubt that population is anywhere near that high. If it were, we would be seeing a different world.

What you call yourself is irrelevant. It's what you do.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Now thats interesting.

So endurance is what makes ideas or activities correct?

Not endurance. Acknowledgement of historical basis and background. That's all.

 

[durangodawood]

Not endurance. Acknowledgement of historical basis and background. That's all.

Ok. Just as long as we acknowledge that being age-old does not make a practice right.

 

[rjs330]

Actually, its normally extremists - to the left. That definition doesn't fit most Democrats.

Thankfully, I just with the Republicans and Democrats would realize that there are exremists on the left and the right. The sad thing is the right usually denounces and opposes the rights extremists while the left usually defends theirs.

 

[Speedwell]

Ha ha. I seriously doubt that population is anywhere near that high. If it were, we would be seeing a different world.

What you call yourself is irrelevant. It's what you do.

Pew has it at 29%.
Evangelical Protestants who identify as white - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics
And we are seeing a different world: the world of Trump.

 

[rjs330]

It has nothing to do with the Confederacy as it really was. It has to do with the golden dream of the "Lost Cause" and the extent to which that is associated with the right-wing Christian radicals who make up a substantial part of Trump's base.

Why are you saying. Be specific. Because it's not clear. What lost Cause are you referring to?

 

[durangodawood]

Thankfully, I just with the Republicans and Democrats would realize that there are exremists on the left and the right. The sad thing is the right usually denounces and opposes the rights extremists while the left usually defends theirs.

Well, to folks on the right, left side 'extremism' is things like "medicare for all!".

Sorry if I dont denounce that with maximum fervor.

 

[rjs330]

Pew has it at 29%.
Evangelical Protestants who identify as white - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics
And we are seeing a different world: the world of Trump.

Yes we are seeing a world where people are demonized for being white or Christian and conservative. Demonized by the left who want to lump all conservatives into some sort of racist ideology, when the facts are actually the opposite. It's all about ideology. If you are conservative you are a hate monger and if you are a black conservative your a traitor to your race. It's interesting that that occurs while us conservative whites don't call white leftists traitors to their race. While we abhor and separate ourselfs as much as possible from white supremacists, the left doesn't do the same.

There is no excuse for racial supremacy. None. We are all human beings. Whites are not better than any other race. And other races are not better than whites. We are just different and often the only real difference is a cultural one. White European culture is different than Mexican Hispanic culture. Which is different than Black American culture which which is different than Japanese culture.

We white Christian conservatives want all people to succeed. We want all people to have equal opportunity. We want all views to be heard. We were demonized by Obama and by Clinton.

And what exactly is this "world of Trump" that is so despised? What have we white conservative Christians done that is so deserving of hatred and animosity?

 

[SummerMadness]

Why are you saying. Be specific. Because it's not clear. What lost Cause are you referring to?

Given this topic, it is quite obvious what he lost cause refers to and those who can't get over it. They also wish to avoid the basic facts about the "heritage" they champion. The Confederacy had slavery as its cornerstone; for people to argue that their pride in the Confederacy excludes racism ignores the very foundation of the CSA. Moreover, the battle flag was raised above state houses across the South in response to the Civil Rights Movement, the flag had more history as a deliberate symbol of racism than battle flag of a failed state... let's not forget, a state with racism as its cornerstone. There is also something quite curious about discussing "heritage" as it almost entirely excludes African Americans from that heritage, which makes it quite odd to argue that a symbol of hate represents an entire geographic region. But seeing the defense of the Confederacy and the denial of its racism and inherent racism makes me sad because I know that's what Germans will have to go through in the future when a wayward generation in the future announces the Third Reich and its symbolism are about German "heritage."

 

[Speedwell]

Why are you saying. Be specific. Because it's not clear. What lost Cause are you referring to?

The Lost Cause of the Confederacy, or simply the Lost Cause, is an American pseudo-historical negationist ideology that holds that the cause of the Confederacy during the American Civil War was a just and heroic one. The ideology endorses the supposed virtues of the antebellum South, viewing the war as a struggle primarily to save what they view as the beneficent and ethical Southern way of life.

Lost Cause of the Confederacy - Wikipedia

 

[rjs330]

Given this topic, it is quite obvious what he lost cause refers to and those who can't get over it. They also wish to avoid the basic facts about the "heritage" they champion. The Confederacy had slavery as its cornerstone; for people to argue that their pride in the Confederacy excludes racism ignores the very foundation of the CSA. Moreover, the battle flag was raised above state houses across the South in response to the Civil Rights Movement, the flag had more history as a deliberate symbol of racism than battle flag of a failed state... let's not forget, a state with racism as its cornerstone. There is also something quite curious about discussing "heritage" as it almost entirely excludes African Americans from that heritage, which makes it quite odd to argue that a symbol of hate represents an entire geographic region. But seeing the defense of the Confederacy and the denial of its racism and inherent racism makes me sad because I know that's what Germans will have to go through in the future when a wayward generation in the future announces the Third Reich and its symbolism are about German "heritage."

You didn't answer it either. What lost cause can't the majority of white conservative Christians get over?