Nancy Pelosi prays "Lord make me a channel for thy peace," then votes to fund abortions

[Davidnic]

I think the LSN article is pretty accurate. If Pope Francis was misunderstood I think he would have corrected the misunderstanding. Also, how do you explain what the National Catholic Register said?:

NC Register: Italian Abortionist Speaks in Church; Catholics Ejected, Silenced
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The link in post 17 explains how the article spread got picked up and was inaccurate. Starting with life site.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Pope Francis really is not known for correcting misunderstandings. That the #1 complaint for most people.

If he didn't correct it then it wasn't a misunderstanding.

 

[Gnarwhal]

I can't help it. This woman and her twisted version of Catholicism makes me ill.


https://www.lifenews.com/2019/01/04...l-for-thy-peace-then-votes-to-fund-abortions/

I wonder what would happen if the Pope excommunicated all abortion supporters worldwide.

 

[Michie]

We'd have a smaller Church. People arm to like the title of Catholic but not necessarily the teachings. There are so many that just make up their own versions of what Catholic means. I mean, afterall, faith should not cost us anything....

I wonder what would happen if the Pope excommunicated all abortion supporters worldwide.

 

[Davidnic]

However Canon law puts conditions on excommunication.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

I wonder what would happen if the Pope excommunicated all abortion supporters worldwide.

It's a nice thought...

 

[Gnarwhal]

However Canon law puts conditions on excommunication.

Excommunication is supposed to be a corrective measure right?

 

[Davidnic]

Excommunication is supposed to be a corrective measure right?

Yep but there are two kinds and conditions. Canon law would not allow mass one like that .

 

[Davidnic]

If he didn't correct it then it wasn't a misunderstanding.

If the Pope spent time correcting all the fake news about him he would do nothing else.

And the fake stuff lets people deny the real stuff like Vigano and the Pope's mismanagement of the sex abuse debacle.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

If the Pope spent time correcting all the fake news about him he would do nothing else.

And the fake stuff lets people deny the real stuff like Vigano and the Pope's mismanagement of the sex abuse debacle.

The popes before him corrected it when something was reported wrong about them.

And isn't it kind of his job to clarify things related to faith and morals?

 

[AvilaSurfer]

The popes before him corrected it when something was reported wrong about them.

Very rarely. Pontiffs almost never respond to the media.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Very rarely. Pontiffs almost never respond to the media.

The popes before rarely gave the media something to run with.

 

[Davidnic]

The popes before rarely gave the media something to run with.

But that still leaves your first statement as wrong. And even when they did...they rarely engaged the critics on it.

There are times Pope St. John Paul II is still attacked over spun news from when he was alive that he refused to give oxygen.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

The popes before rarely gave the media something to run with.

That doesn’t change the fact that post 30 is wrong.

 

[Gnarwhal]

We'd have a smaller Church.

A smaller Church you say...

 

[LivingWordUnity]

That doesn’t change the fact that post 30 is wrong.

I don't agree that what I said is wrong. Can you give me an example of the media reporting that a previous pope endorsed abortion or homosexuality with him not responding to it? On the other hand, when it was reported that Pope Francis took the side of Kim Davis, the one who had to do jail time for not "marrying" a homosexual couple, the Vatican immediately denied that he gave any support to her.

 

[Davidnic]

Moving the goal posts you did not say abortion or homosexuality. You said:

The popes before him corrected it when something was reported wrong about them.

And isn't it kind of his job to clarify things related to faith and morals?

You said something wrong. You are changing parameters.

Pope Saint John Paul II never addressed the myriad of ultra trad attacks that tried to twist what he said and did. Pope Benedict XVI didn't address all the liberal attacks that tried the same with him.

Ganted they didn't give people as much ammo as Pope Francis.

But it's false to say that he would have corrected it had it been incorrect.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Pope Saint John Paul II never addressed the myriad of ultra trad attacks that tried to twist what he said and did.

It's more than just the SSPX that have serious concerns for the Church now.

Pope Benedict XVI didn't address all the liberal attacks that tried the same with him.

Liberals attacked Benedict XVI, but they say that Pope Francis is one of their own. So the circumstances are actually the complete opposite. And Francis has surrounded himself with liberal advisers.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

It's more than just the SSPX that have serious concerns for the Church now.Liberals attacked Benedict XVI, but they say that Pope Francis is one of their own. So the circumstances are actually the complete opposite. And Francis has surrounded himself with liberal advisers.

Indeed so. Framing this as a ultra traditional and vicious attack on a innocent pope is both dishonest aswell as highly erroneous.
This is not just the SSPX this transcends their initial concerns for the church. It is indeed a crisis at hand, but Christ will only let it go so far before he says; no more!

This is the attacks by Satan that the pope was being warned about in the end of the 19th century.
You'll get 100 years and power God told Lucifer and that includes the rise of nazism, communism and the Vatican2.
When will God say; no more? I believe soon.

 

[Davidnic]

It's more than just the SSPX that have serious concerns for the Church now.Liberals attacked Benedict XVI, but they say that Pope Francis is one of their own. So the circumstances are actually the complete opposite. And Francis has surrounded himself with liberal advisers.

Moving goal posts again. You were wrong and now deflecting. You said if errors were not addressed they must be true. And that if the Pope did not address them they were true. That was a logical fallacy. Then you said other Popes would address the issues when it happened to them and that they did not give people reason to do it. Both of those were shown wrong.

Now you move the goal posts again.

Pope Francis is confusing and should be clearer. He has many flaws compared to previous Popes when it comes to some things.

But the article you linked to was shown to be wrong. Your later assertions were wrong.

So now the low hanging fruit of attacking the Pope and changing the discussion.

I am not saying Pope Francis does the right things in many situations. He should answer the dubia and take responsibility for the mishandled abuse crisis including a public apology to Archbishop Vigano.

But that does not mean that false stories should be accepted because of that. In fact the pushing of fake news just makes it harder to address the real issues. The fake news pushed about him makes people not believe or act on the real and serious issues.

Can we get back to the topic of the thread? Which is Nancy Pelosi. Or are we going to continue to let the one line fuel the Pope Francis attacks on his fictional rather than objectively factual issues?