MYSTERY SOLVED

[Oldmantook]

Jesus is coming as a thief which means he will come when no one expects it, late at night in the Darkness, and we are not children of the dark but children of the light. At the Second Coming everyone will know and understand when Jesus is coming, it will be just after the Sixth Vial where all the nations are gathered together at Armageddon. The Vials will come is quick staccato like fashion, boom, boom, boom, no one will be surprised to see Jesus.

John used many Old Testament analogies in Revelation, here he used something Jesus spoke as an analogy, I am not 100 percent sure John was ever given the Rapture understanding in full, that was given unto Paul, the disciple unto the Gentiles. Just because John used it as an analogy here doesn't mean this is the Rapture, which isn't really what the "Thief in the Night" parable was about anyway it was about the coming Day of the Lord, which is a 3.5 Year period of God's Wrath.

The Church comes back with Jesus in Rev. 19 to defeat the Anti-Christ/Beast at Armageddon yet you are insisting that the Armageddon sequence is the Rapture, which of course makes NO SENSE AT ALL.

If you read Paul's writing on this subject it becomes very clear what it means. It is speaking about the Day of the Lord coming upon the Wicked like a thief in the night, not the Seventh Vial, one the Day of the Lord starts the 21 Judgments will be easy to countdown.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. {{So to start with thus proves your understanding is off as per the timing of events, the Day of the Lord is Gods Wrath and it starts in Rev. chapter 6. }}

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction (Anti-Christs FALSE PEACE) cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye (Church), brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. {{The Church is IN THE LIGHT thus we will not go through the Tribulation period of Gods Wrath, we are CHILDREN OF THE LIGHT !! }}

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. {{We will not god through this period of TROUBLES !! }}

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. {Let us stay WOKE so that we do not fall away Christ Jesus, lest we be left behind in the DARKNESS}

7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

So the whole THIEF IN THE NIGHT Parable is about Jesus' wrath coming upon mankind, Paul is warning us to STAY IN THE DAY (In Christ Jesus) so that we will not be left behind to go through Gods Wrath !!

What I take from the passage is this is the Wrath of God being poured out and John/Jesus reminds the brethren that they need to keep themselves in the Light of Christ Jesus else they will be caught up in this Wrath of God. You seem to assume its the Rapture, even though it 100 percent clear the Church returns from Heaven with Jesus Christ on White Horses BEFORE Armageddon.

It's fine to have your opinion, but the fact is Jesus plainly stated that he will return as a thief right before the battle of Armageddon. Whether you agree or not with what Jesus stated is certainly your prerogative.

 

[Oldmantook]

The battle of armaggedon is one of the latter vials of wrath late in the tribulation. Israel repeats half way through and apparently is raptured before the wrath of the great tribulation.

That would be an inference on your part as the vials/bowls make no reference whatsoever to Armageddon. Nonetheless, Armageddon does take place toward the end or at the end of the tribulation. Rapture advocates maintain that the rapture occurs when Jesus comes silently as a thief and steals away his church before the tribulation. Rev 16:15-16 makes it clear that Jesus comes as a thief right before the battle of Armageddon which negates a pre-trib rapture.

 

[mark kennedy]

That would be an inference on your part as the vials/bowls make no reference whatsoever to Armageddon. Nonetheless, Armageddon does take place toward the end or at the end of the tribulation. Rapture advocates maintain that the rapture occurs when Jesus comes silently as a thief and steals away his church before the tribulation. Rev 16:15-16 makes it clear that Jesus comes as a thief right before the battle of Armageddon which negates a pre-trib rapture.

Actually the warring factions come together as a result of the sixth vial of wrath:

And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (Rev. 16:13-16)
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The kings of the east, Asians, confront the Antichrist and apparently end up joining him. Of course, when Christ returns they are destroyed in an instant but they are all ready to fight.

 

[Oldmantook]

Actually the warring factions come together as a result of the sixth vial of wrath:

And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (Rev. 16:13-16)
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The kings of the east, Asians, confront the Antichrist and apparently end up joining him. Of course, when Christ returns they are destroyed in an instant but they are all ready to fight.

Excellent point! Thanks for the correction. So would you then say that Jesus comes as a thief (rapture) toward the end of the tribulation instead of before the trib as pre-tribbers believe?

 

[mark kennedy]

Excellent point! Thanks for the correction. So would you then say that Jesus comes as a thief (rapture) toward the end of the tribulation instead of before the trib as pre-tribbers believe?

Definitely, I've never thought a pretrib rapture fits the book of Revelations. It's sometime after the trumpets, probably with the seventh trumpet, and before the vials are poured out. While the world is languishing in the trawls of the Antichrist the church, Jewish and Gentile, will be attending the wedding feast of the Lamb.

 

[WailingWall]

Here are some differences between the two trumpets.

2. The trumpet of the church age is singular. There is no mention of a series of trumpets.

I wonder why 1Cor15 says its the LAST trumpet. Very strange. Using your logic i guess it could read the 1st trumpet since you claim its singular.

 

[seventysevens]

It's fine to have your opinion, but the fact is Jesus plainly stated that he will return as a thief right before the battle of Armageddon. Whether you agree or not with what Jesus stated is certainly your prerogative.

Actually that is just your opinion, scripture does not actually say that , it is how you have chosen to interpret it

 

[Davy]

Actually, it's you that have not properly understood the rapture of 1 Thess.4.

In Rev.19 about Jesus coming from Heaven with His army, Paul said in 1 Thess.4 that Jesus will bring the saints who 'sleep' with Him when He comes...

1 Thess 4:13-14
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.
KJV

At that point in time, the saints still alive on earth have yet to be raptured to Jesus, but are getting ready to, and will join with Him and the asleep saints He brings with Him on His return to this earth. This means a gathering to Jesus of TWO SEPARATE GROUPS OF SAINTS from two different locations, the asleep saints from the heavenly, and the alive saints on the earth. The Matt.24 and Mark 13 Scripture parallels this view of the two groups, as does 1 Thess.4. So this is a very fundamental idea given in those Scriptures, yet the pre-trib rapture theorists try to change it.

Immediately after the Tribulation Jesus returns and the Church returns with him, try actually reading Rev. ch. 19. You guys are clearly not good detectives. Satan can just put anything out there and it gets repeated over and over.

 

[seventysevens]

Actually, it's you that have not properly understood the rapture of 1 Thess.4.

In Rev.19 about Jesus coming from Heaven with His army, Paul said in 1 Thess.4 that Jesus will bring the saints who 'sleep' with Him when He comes...

1 Thess 4:13-14
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.
KJV

At that point in time, the saints still alive on earth have yet to be raptured to Jesus, but are getting ready to, and will join with Him and the asleep saints He brings with Him on His return to this earth. This means a gathering to Jesus of TWO SEPARATE GROUPS OF SAINTS from two different locations, the asleep saints from the heavenly, and the alive saints on the earth. The Matt.24 and Mark 13 Scripture parallels this view of the two groups, as does 1 Thess.4. So this is a very fundamental idea given in those Scriptures, yet the pre-trib rapture theorists try to change it.

It should be noted that when you cut off from reading the scripture , or stop reading at verse 14 , it leaves the incorrect interpretation,
example if watching the Super Bowl Game and you stop watching it at half time , the last score you see at half time is not the outcome of the game because there is still half of the game time left ; or-
Read further:

1 Thess 4

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

greek word" harpazo" is the word translated which means to be snatched away -suddenly without warning

you did not let Paul finish what he was saying in the same breath verse 17 happens instantly immediately after those who are dead rise as Paul says those who are Living are harpazo/caught up WITH THEM TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR

the sleep is those dead bodies in the grave , when Christians die their spirit goes directly in the presence of the Lord , the body in the grave is asleep

 

[Davy]

It should be noted that when you cut off from reading the scripture , or stop reading at verse 14 , it leaves the incorrect interpretation,
example if watching the Super Bowl Game and you stop watching it at half time , the last score you see at half time is not the outcome of the game because there is still half of the game time left ; or-
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The dead in Christ are resurrected first like that 1 Thess.4 reveals. That is how those who sleep in Jesus come from the heavenly with Jesus when He comes. That is different than the saints still alive on earth at His coming, which are then "caught up" in the air to meet Jesus and the already resurrected saints that were asleep.

Matt 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV


Mark 13:26-27
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

The Matt.24 version is the gathering of the asleep saints. The Mark 13 version is the gathering of the "caught up" saints that are still alive on earth.

 

[seventysevens]

The dead in Christ are resurrected first like that 1 Thess.4 reveals. That is how those who sleep in Jesus come from the heavenly with Jesus when He comes. That is different than the saints still alive on earth at His coming, which are then "caught up" in the air to meet Jesus and the already resurrected saints that were asleep.

Matt 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV


Mark 13:26-27
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

The Matt.24 version is the gathering of the asleep saints. The Mark 13 version is the gathering of the "caught up" saints that are still alive on earth.

You must be a post tribber

This is why things like this become cumbersome to explain when people should study to learn it ,
As scripture teaches just as people live in a tent or a house or a temple or any other structure , you are not the house , you are not a tent even though you live inside it .

Same as with your body , your body is the house that you live in , when your body died you will move out of and into the presence of Jesus if you belong to Him , that place is Heaven, you are now in heaven and your old body is asleep in the ground or tomb.

As Jesus said to the mother of a child that died and she was in bed , it by appearance is sleeping , scripture tells us that is where the term for death is asleep , As Jesus restored her life back into her body Jesus said she was just merely sleeping

Some people believe in a false teaching called soul sleep , and they say that the spirit/soul is asleep when body dies and is only awake after resurrection , total hogwash nonsense
The spirit is ALIVE in heaven with Christ , when in 1 Thess 4 it speaks that the dead rise first because the spirit in heaven receives a new body when raised , the person that is alive receives a new body , then at the same time those who are alive JOIN them , the THEM is those whose body was just risen from the dead

There is an order of things just as when they say Women and Children First on a sinking ship , the men are not left behind to sink with the ship as they get off the ship at the same time as the rest ,
If the men leave first they are considered selfish cowards because they did not stay and help

Scripture is Transparently CLEAR both groups meet Jesus in the air at the very same time
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

 

[Oldmantook]

Actually that is just your opinion, scripture does not actually say that , it is how you have chosen to interpret it

I have explained my view of the scripture. If you have a different view of that passage feel free to offer your counter argument.

 

[WailingWall]

Hello WailingWall.

Your teaching a fourth day resurrection, Jesus rose on the third day not the fourth day.

No Klute, im not. It was wed. sundown till saturday sundown. 3 days AND 3 nights

 

[klutedavid]

No Klute, im not. It was wed. sundown till saturday sundown. 3 days AND 3 nights

Hello WailingWall.

You have presented a contradiction.

You have Jesus in the tomb on the third day and third night, yet you also claim, that Jesus rose on that third day. Your claim is illogical.

 

[Choose Wisely]

The Feast of Pentecost (Harvest) is the only Feast on the Calendar all alone unto itself. (Summer)

4. Feast of Pentecost ( Church Age or the Harvest of Souls ) Jesus is the Sower, we are the body of Christ and we are currently Sowing the seed so Jesus can eventually reap the Harvest. The Pentecost or Harvest was always a Summer event of course, then the Feast of Trumps would announce that the Harvest was over and that the Feast of Atonement was Nigh. (LAST TRUMP)

Three Fall Feasts

5. Feast of Trumpets ( This feast basically did nothing except announce that Pentecost was over and that the Fall Feasts were at hand. RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH......The Atonement for Israel is near)

Enjoyed reading your post. I certainly agree, if you want to understand end times, you better look at the 7 Feasts. Some things for you to consider......
I agree that Pentecost is a harvest feast. It is the grain harvest that is harvested in early summer. Summer is near......should be a clue. The rapture of the Church will happen on Pentecost when the 1st trump is blown.....the left horn of the ram. The Trump of God or voice of God will sound.

1 Thes 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Feast of Trumpets is the fall fruit feast. The right horn of the ram is blown. The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

1 Cor 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

 

[Davy]

You must be a post tribber

Yes, I believe our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming is immediately after the tribulation like He said in Matt.24, which is also what the 1st century Church fathers also believed.

As scripture teaches just as people live in a tent or a house or a temple or any other structure , you are not the house , you are not a tent even though you live inside it .

Same as with your body , your body is the house that you live in , when your body died you will move out of and into the presence of Jesus if you belong to Him , that place is Heaven, you are now in heaven and your old body is asleep in the ground or tomb.

As Jesus said to the mother of a child that died and she was in bed , it by appearance is sleeping , scripture tells us that is where the term for death is asleep , As Jesus restored her life back into her body Jesus said she was just merely sleeping

Some people believe in a false teaching called soul sleep , and they say that the spirit/soul is asleep when body dies and is only awake after resurrection , total hogwash nonsense
The spirit is ALIVE in heaven with Christ , when in 1 Thess 4 it speaks that the dead rise first because the spirit in heaven receives a new body when raised , the person that is alive receives a new body , then at the same time those who are alive JOIN them , the THEM is those whose body was just risen from the dead

There is an order of things just as when they say Women and Children First on a sinking ship , the men are not left behind to sink with the ship as they get off the ship at the same time as the rest ,
If the men leave first they are considered selfish cowards because they did not stay and help

Scripture is Transparently CLEAR both groups meet Jesus in the air at the very same time
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

You might want to include the previous 3 verses which are hard linked to the events of that 17th verse:

1 Thess 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.

Jesus will bring "them also which sleep" with Him. From where? Not from the earth but from the heavenly, which immediately separates the location of the saints that have already died vs. the saints still alive on earth. (I also believe that when our flesh dies, our spirit goes back to God Who gave it, and our flesh goes back to earthly matter, that our resurrection body is not one of flesh). But the events of John 5:28-29 about the resurrection on the last day of this world when Jesus comes has not happened yet.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

This KJV word "prevent" is not in the Greek. It instead is the meaning 'precede'. We who are alive on earth that remain unto that day shall not... precede... those brethren which have already died in Christ. Precede to where? To the heavenly, which once again means, they are not... on earth with the saints who remain and are still alive to the day of Jesus' return. This is very elementary. And it points to 2 separate groups of saints.


16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

There's the event I was pointing to about the saints that have already died in Jesus. Our Lord Jesus brings those 'with Him' when He returns back to this earth from the heavenly as per Acts 1. They rise first, meaning they are the first saints to be in resurrection bodies, whether one believes they were resurrected immediately after flesh death, or whether they have to wait until that day.

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV

Only when our Lord Jesus appears in the clouds with His alseep saints He brings with Him, like Paul said, are those of us still alive on earth then "caught up" to them. And we all together then go with Jesus to Jerusalem where His feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from.

Therefore, you cannot leave out that the Scripture is declaring two separate groups of saints being gathered by Jesus and His angels when He comes, which is also what our Lord Jesus declared in Matt.24:30-31 and Mark 13:26-27.

 

[Davy]

Scripture is Transparently CLEAR both groups meet Jesus in the air at the very same time
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

There, with your phrase "both groups" you have admitted Paul was speaking of 2 separate and distinct groups of saints in the 1 Thess.4 Scripture.

Even though those events Paul described will occur very rapidly, there is a specific order to them. So adjectives like "same time" can be misleading, especially when the order Apostle Paul and our Lord Jesus declared is left out.

The distinction between the two different groups of saints and their order of gathering is important.

The asleep saints group are gathered from the heavenly:

Matt 24:31-32
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

The still alive saints on earth are gathered from the earth:

Mark 13:27
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

There in Matt.24 and Mark 13 our Lord Jesus declared His gathering of those two separate groups of saints on the day of His 2nd coming. It was there all the time, yet men's doctrines have denied these two Scripture proofs have anything to do with 1 Thess.4. Yet there it is, the SAME order of events that Apostle Paul declared will occur on the day of our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming and gathering of His saints.

And the timing our Lord Jesus gave for that is immediately after that tribulation He described there, and thus His Words there must be weighed in conjunction with Paul's teaching of 1 Thess.4 involving the gathering of His saints.

 

[BABerean2]

There, with your phrase "both groups" you have admitted Paul was speaking of 2 separate and distinct groups of saints in the 1 Thess.4 Scripture.

Even though those events Paul described will occur very rapidly, there is a specific order to them. So adjectives like "same time" can be misleading, especially when the order Apostle Paul and our Lord Jesus declared is left out.

The distinction between the two different groups of saints and their order of gathering is important.

The asleep saints group are gathered from the heavenly:

Matt 24:31-32
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

The still alive saints on earth are gathered from the earth:

Mark 13:27
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

There in Matt.24 and Mark 13 our Lord Jesus declared His gathering of those two separate groups of saints on the day of His 2nd coming. It was there all the time, yet men's doctrines have denied these two Scripture proofs have anything to do with 1 Thess.4. Yet there it is, the SAME order of events that Apostle Paul declared will occur on the day of our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming and gathering of His saints.

And the timing our Lord Jesus gave for that is immediately after that tribulation He described there, and thus His Words there must be weighed in conjunction with Paul's teaching of 1 Thess.4 involving the gathering of His saints.

You are correct, and here is the proof.

The following video is produced by a former pretrib believer, who had to abandon the doctrine when he could not get it to agree with his Bible.

He wrote a book titled "Changed". His name is Steven Straub.

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[Choose Wisely]

That would be an inference on your part as the vials/bowls make no reference whatsoever to Armageddon. Nonetheless, Armageddon does take place toward the end or at the end of the tribulation. Rapture advocates maintain that the rapture occurs when Jesus comes silently as a thief and steals away his church before the tribulation. Rev 16:15-16 makes it clear that Jesus comes as a thief right before the battle of Armageddon which negates a pre-trib rapture.

I don't believe that Armageddon takes place at the end of the Tribulation. Armageddon takes place at the end of the Wrath of God.
The Tribulation is over in Revelation 6
Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

How do we know that the Tribulation is over in Rev 6????

Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[BABerean2]

I don't believe that Armageddon takes place at the end of the Tribulation. Armageddon takes place at the end of the Wrath of God.
The Tribulation is over in Revelation 6

Rev 6:15　 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;　

Rev 19:18　 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.　


We know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, because Christ returns at Revelation 16:15-16 and also in chapter 19.

Revelation 6 and 19 are two different visions of the same event, with the same characters.

Your connection to the Olivet Discourse was excellent.


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