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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by WailingWall, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. WailingWall

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    I am not. I know what LAST means. It means last
     
  2. WailingWall

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    Its all about the 4 winds

    EZEK.37 [9] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the FOUR WINDS, O breath, and BREATHE UPON THESE SLAIN, THAT THEY MAY LIVE.[10] So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, AN EXCEEDING GREAT ARMY.[11] Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.[12] Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I WILL OPEN YOUR GRAVES, AND CAUSE YOU TO COME UP OUT OF YOUR GRAVES, AND BRING YOU INTO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.[13] And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,[14] And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

    PROPHECY OF THE FOUR WINDS! The four winds that are prophesied will blow only once. Zeke 37 also speaks of a resurrection {1Cor.15?}. There are only 2 general resurrections left according to the new testament. One at the 1Cor.15 event {called the rapture by many} and one at the great white throne. And they are not fliting off to heaven as the Rapturist claim but are takin to Israel

    MATT.24 [29] IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a GREAT SOUND OF A TRUMPET, and they SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of heaven to the other.

    PROPHECY OF THE FOUR WINDS! When the 4 winds blow there will be a resurrection. It happens right after the tribulation period. On the Day of the Lord. And when they are gathered {in the twinkling of an eye} they are brought into the land of Israel {Ezek.37v12}. The Rapturist claim we are flitting off to heaven at the 1Cor.15 event but you will not find that anywhere in scripture.
     
  3. Bible Highlighter

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    Here are some differences between the two trumpets.

    1. The trumpet of the church age is called the "trump of God" (1 Thessalonians 4:16); For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. The trumpet of Revelation is the trumpet of the seventh angel (Revelation 11:15); And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    2. The trumpet of the church age is singular. There is no mention of a series of trumpets. The trumpet of Revelation is the seventh of seven. The phrase, last trump, has a different significance (See link below).

    4. In 1 Thessalonians 4, the trumpets calls the dead to life. The seventh trumpet of Revelation occurs after a resurrection occurs (Revelation 11:12); And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. The trumpet of the church age comes as a blessing. The trumpet of Revelation comes with judgment and is called the third woe (Revelation 11:14). The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

    5. The trump of the church age sounds in "a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52). In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. The seventh trumpet of Revelation sounds for "days" (Revelation 10:7); But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    Simply put, there is no real connection between the "last trump" and the seventh trumpet. Another factor comes in the writing of the two books: 1 Corinthians and Revelation. 1 Corinthians is generally dated around 59AD and Revelation is commonly dated about 96AD. That means that the writing of these two books was separated by about 37 years. The seventh trumpet was not in the context of what Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 15 or in 1 Thessalonians 4. It had not yet been revealed. However, the "last trump" must have had some sort of significance to the Christians to whom Paul spoke.

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    The Last Trump | Learn The Bible
     
  4. klutedavid

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    Hello WailingWall.

    Your teaching a fourth day resurrection, Jesus rose on the third day not the fourth day.
     
  5. Marilyn C

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    Hi WailingWall,

    Now do you realise that the book of Revelation was NOT written for another 30 years after Paul was talking to the believers at Corinth! So it would not make sense to them, if he meant the 7 trumpets of Revelation. Poor connection there bro.

    Also, the overcomers do NOT flit off to heaven, they are changed to be like Christ and go to their eternal home in the third heaven where they will rule and reign with Christ from His seat of Power & Authority.

    `Do you not know that you shall judge angels (fallen)...and the world system? (1 Cor. 6: 2 & 3)

    Can`t do that when hiding from the anti-Christ & his army!

    Marilyn.
     
  6. Bible Highlighter

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    You also have to think that one has the most to lose by not believing in a Pre-Trib Rapture (in the fact that you will miss out on the 7 year tribulation, which is really a bad time). I have nothing to lose by not believing in Mid Trib Rapture because I will more than likely be killed shortly by the antichrist anyways. I have nothing to lose by not believing in Post Trib Rapture because Jesus will be returning shortly after this point. The Pre-Trib Rapture also gives the Christian the motivation to live holy in this life.
     
  7. Revealing Times

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    A bunch of hogwash, we see them speaking about the throne room in the passages in Rev. 19, I didn't post them but they are there.

    Rev. 19:And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

    7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife (Church) hath made herself ready.

    8 And to her (Church) was granted that she (Church) should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints (Remember this).

    9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper (This happens on earth at Armaggedon) of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

    11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse (Jesus); and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean (Church, see verse 8 above !! ).

    15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; (Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.)

    I get it, you can't grasp it......but that is not Gods fault, the passages are very clear and concise.

    This isn't even debatable.
     
  8. seventysevens

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    You apparently do not understand :(
    An anonymous survey was given out to 100,000 preachers in America asking all of them to fill out the survey and their identity would be anonymous to allow the preachers to be openly honest and truthful about what they preach on and various things about their ministry.
    What I found shocking was to see that 90% of 100,000 preachers all across the country said they NEVER talk about any prophetic topics in any of their sermons.

    This type of posts reflects the result of the nations Christian leaders failing to educate the members of the church , leaving them to try and they fail to understand what the scriptures actually say about the rapture , second coming and such and it is so sad.
     
  9. WailingWall

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    JEREMIAH 3 [11] And the LORD said unto me, THE BACKSLIDING ISRAEL hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.[12] Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.[13] Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.[14] TURN, O BACKSLIDING CHILDREN, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I AM MARRIED UNTO YOU: AND I WILL TAKE YOU ONE OF A CITY, AND TWO OF A FAMILY, AND I WILL BRING YOU TO ZION:

    Backsliding Israel. I am married unto you. I beg you. Dont try and tell me theres 2 brides
     
  10. WailingWall

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    You guys got to get together and get your story straight. Many Rapturist claim that proof of the rapture is you cant find the church mentioned except early in the book of revelation before they are raptured. You seem to find the church mentioned all through the book of revelation.
     
  11. Revealing Times

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    Christ Bride is the Church.......

    God'S Bide is Israel..........

    Abraham had TWO BRIDES.............

    The Preferred Rachel.....................

    And Leah........................

    Get it together man.
     
  12. Revealing Times

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    The Church is seen in Rev. chapters 1-3, they are the Aisia Minor churches.

    Then the Rapture happens and the Church is seen in Heaven ( Not on Earth !! ) in chapters 4, 5, 7 and 19. Only chapter 19 is the full seven year period. Chapter 7 starts at the Midway point after the Bride has already Married the Lamb.

    Chapters 6, 8, 9, 11, 15 and 16 is the Seals, Trumpets and Vials in perfect order.

    Chapters 10, 12, 13, 14, 17 and 18 are Visions that fill in the Gaps. 12, 13, 17 and 18 all start during chapter 6, Rev. 17 ends in chapter 6, Rev. 18 starts at ch. 6 and ends at ch. 16, the Seventh Seal.

    Rev. 19 covers the full Seven Year Period.
     
  13. WailingWall

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    REVELATION 21 {9} And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. {10} And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, {11} Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; {12} And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:

    The Lambs wife. Dont you believe the Lamb is Christ
     
  14. WailingWall

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    I gotta ask.... Are ya gonna try and tell me theres a separate rapture for each bride
     
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    How come no one answered my question

    JOHN 3 [12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? [13] And NO MAN HATH ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN, BUT HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    Can any of you Rapturist tell me if scripture above will suddenly vanish from your bibles after you are raptured to heaven

    JOHN 7 [33] Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I GO UNTO HIM THAT SENT ME.[34] Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and WHERE I AM, THITHER YE CANNOT COME.

    I go to Him that sent me. To the Father. Heaven. Jesus said we cant go there. Will this scripture magically disapear after your rapture

    JOHN 17 [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. [15] I PRAY NOT THAT THOU SHOULDEST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, BUT THAT THOU SHOULDEST KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL.

    No wrath for the good guys. Will John 17 {15} also vanish after darbys rapture?
     
  16. Revealing Times

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    Why would God Rapture Israel when Jesus is going to Return and Reign from Jerusalem for 1000 years? The Church is under the Blood of Christ, we are redeemed. Israel sinned against God, thus God turned to another.

    Isaiah 65:1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. 2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; 3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

    First, the Lord chose a people (Israel) that would be His bride, His wife. Several times in the Old Testament the Lord describes Israel as His wife. It all began when the Lord chose Abraham and promised him that his descendants would be a great and numerous people. But at Mount Sinai the chosen wife became adulterous and worshipped the Golden Calf. Time and again, through the prophets, the Lord called for Israel to return to Him.

    Finally, the Lord told Israel,

    "I am sought of [them that] asked not [for me]; I am found of [them that] sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation [that] was not called by my name.” - Isaiah 65:1 The Lord turned to the Gentiles. In the New Testament the Church, composed of Gentiles and Jews, is also described as the Bride of the Lord Jesus, the second bride of Scripture. The Bible shows us these two brides in the same manner and pattern as the Jewish wedding, and the Jewish wedding fits the themes of the seven appointed times given by the Lord.

    There is a thread of continuity that flows through the seven feasts, or appointed times, first given by the Lord. Here are the steps taken in completing the Jewish wedding and its application to the wedding of the Church to the Lord Jesus, followed by how this ties to the seven appointed feasts of Israel:

    The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

    1 – Selection of the Bride
    Jewish Wedding - The Son chooses the Bride – the Father makes the arrangements
    Church - John 15:16 – “You did not choose Me, but I chose you . . .”

    2 – The Bride Price established
    Jewish Wedding - The father of the bride must be reimbursed for the loss of his daughter.
    Church - I Corinthians 6:20 - “For you were bought with a price.” The Bride price was paid when Jesus died on the Cross.

    We who are saved by Jesus were sought by the Lord. (Isaiah 65:1) Jesus paid the price on Passover. The appointed times of Firstfruits and Unleavened Bread complete the picture of Jesus being resurrected and being sinless, the spotless Lamb of God.

    The Spring Feasts have all been fulfilled.

    Pentecost, or the Feast of Weeks, was the fourth appointed time given by the Lord in Leviticus 23:15-22.

    Just as the Lord deals with the Church in a separate manner from His chosen, the Jews, I strongly suspect that Pentecost, which is separate from the Spring Feasts and the Fall Feasts, is specific to the Church.

    At the Feast of Pentecost the Bride of Christ was given the Gift of the Holy Spirit and through this Jesus committed to complete the betrothal of the Church when He comes again.“in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.” - Ephesians 1:13-14The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

    3 – The Betrothal
    Jewish Wedding - More than mere “engagement”, it was a permanent arrangement. Recall the story of Joseph and Mary.
    Church – The attachment of the Church to the Lord is also permanent, and forever. “This is the bread which came down from heaven--not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” (John 6:58) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. (John 10:28)

    4 – The Marriage Contract
    Jewish Wedding – A written agreement committing each party to the marriage.
    Church - The entire Holy Bible is our written agreement containing the promises of God. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;” (John 8:31)

    5 – The Bride must consent
    Jewish Wedding – This is not entirely an arranged marriage; the bride must agree.
    Church – “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;” (Mark 16:16) “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Romans 10:9)

    6 – The Bridal Gift and the Cup of the Covenant
    Jewish Wedding – A glass of wine is taken upon the signing of the contract.
    Church – Each time we gather around the Lord’s Table, we remember the “contract.” “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament (covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28)
    Jewish Wedding – The Bride is given a gift by the groom.
    Church - The Holy Spirit is given by Jesus –– “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” (Acts 2:38) This, of course, occurred on the Day of Pentecost.

    7 – The Ceremonial Purification of the Bride
    Jewish Wedding - The next step for the Bride after she is betrothed is a ceremonial cleansing. In Biblical times the Bride would use a Mikvah, which was pool of water, in which she would immerse herself.
    Church - Acts 2:41 – “Then those who gladly received his word were baptized (immersed); and that day about three thousand souls were added [to them].”

    The Church is an insertion in the Lord's Plan. Israel was the original bride. I believe that the Lord Jesus will come for His bride, the Church, in a separate event (the Rapture) from the Lord's return for His bride, Israel. From this point forward in the Jewish Wedding process, following the purification of the bride, in my opinion the Church will be dealt with separately in the time defined as the Church Age, or the Age of Grace. This period of time will extend from the first Day of Pentecost to the day when the Lord Jesus calls us Home.

    8 – The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
    Church - John 14:3 – “I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself.”

    The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding. “But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matthew 24:36)

    9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
    Church - First Peter 2:9 – “But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people.”

    10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
    Church - First Thessalonians 4:16 – “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.”

    Let me insert an additional hope at this point. When the Lord Jesus comes for His Bride, the Church, we will not be totally surprised. Although the Jewish bride did not know the day or the hour, she was expectant. The Apostle Paul in speaking of “that Day” said, “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day.” (First Thessalonians 5:4-5) Today, many in the Church are expectant and will not be totally surprised.

    11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
    Church – This period when the Bride and Groom spend time together seems to show that the Bride of Jesus will be with Him in Heaven. This appears to indicate a pre-Tribulation gathering of the Church, and is described in Isaiah 26:20; “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.” Praise the Lord!

    12 – The Marriage Supper
    Church – “‘Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.’ And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, ‘Write: Blessed [are] those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” (The Revelation 19:7-9)

    In my opinion, the Feast of Pentecost is still being fulfilled and will be completed when the Lord Jesus comes for His bride.

    I believe that in the remaining steps of the Jewish Wedding process, the steps will be fulfilled for Israel in a separate manner.

    The next appointed time is the Feast of Trumpets. The Feast of Trumpets is a mysterious time. Of all the feasts, or appointed times, little is said of it and no scriptural reason for the feast is given. (see Leviticus 23:23-25) A trumpet (the Shofar) is blown. Trumpets make announcements. I suspect that the Feast of Trumpets will be when the Lord in some manner announces the time has come for the fulfillment of His plan for Israel.

    The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

    8 – The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
    Jewish Wedding – In Biblical times the groom would add a room to his father’s house. At that time, families lived together.
    The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding.

    9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
    Jewish Wedding – The Bride is spoken for and belongs to no one else. Again, refer to Mary and Joseph. (Matthew 1:18-19)
    At this point in the process, the Bride is always in readiness. She does not know when the Groom will return for her. For example, see Matthew 25 – The Parable of the Ten Virgins.

    10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
    Jewish Wedding – This was frequently done at midnight for surprise. Matthew 25:6 (the Parable of the Ten Virgins) – “And at midnight a cry (shout) was [heard]: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him!’”

    Scripture tells us that a prophetic day can equal a year.

    “After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities.” - Numbers 14:34The seven days the Jewish bride and groom spend in the wedding chamber appear to equate to seven prophetic years, which parallels the last seven years of Daniel’s prophecy, and is the basis for the concept of seven years of Tribulation.“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” - Daniel 9:27The Song of Moses, Deuteronomy 32:1-43, is a summary of the Lord’s dealings with Israel. From the summary given by Moses, and many other Scriptures, it appears that the Day of Atonement will be the Day when the Lord Jesus sets foot on the Mount of Olives and fights against all nations.


    “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east.” - Zechariah 14:1-4Daniel’s last seven days (Daniel 9:27) appear to parallel the seven years of the Tribulation, while the Bride of Christ is in Heaven consummating union to Jesus Messiah and celebrating with the marriage supper. The next appointed time is the Day of Atonement. This indicates that at the end of the Tribulation, the Lord Jesus will return to redeem and make Atonement for Israel.
    The latter part of the Song of Moses is prophetic of the Last Days. The very last verse of the Song of Moses says:

    “Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people.”The Hebrew word translated as “merciful” is kaphar (Strong’s H3722), and is rendered “make atonement” in the vast majority of its appearances in the Old Testament. Therefore, this verse says “He will provide atonement, for His land and His people.”
    In the Revelation, immediately following the Marriage supper of the Lamb is the Return of Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords.

    “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. ” – Revelation 19:11-14Note that the “armies [which were] in heaven” were clothed in fine linen, white and clean, just like the Bride was given in the preceding verse 19:8. This identifies the “armies” as the Bride of Christ, Saints and Children of God, who will return in victory with the Lord Jesus.
    It appears that this day will be the fulfillment of the Day of Atonement.

    The next, and last, appointed time is the Feast of Tabernacles which was an eight-day event. It occurred at the time of the fall harvest, and was to be a time of joy and celebration.



    “Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine: And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that [are] within thy gates.” - Deuteronomy 16:13-14The word tabernacle can be a noun or a verb. The Tabernacle in the wilderness was a noun, but it was also a verb describing where the Lord dwelled, or tabernacled, with Israel. In the Kingdom Age the Lord Jesus will dwell, or tabernacle, with mankind.
    In the Deuteronomy instructions the Children of Israel are told to celebrate for seven days. In the instructions given in Leviticus 23:33-43 they are told to hold a sacred assembly on the eighth day. In the Bible, seven is the number of completion. Therefore, eight is the number of new beginnings. Noah and his family were eight persons, and represented a new beginning for mankind. A male child was to be circumcized on the eighth day, at the beginning of his life. King David, who laid the foundations for the beginning of the Kingdom of Israel, was the eighth son of Jesse. This eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles indicates new beginnings.

    The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

    11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
    Jewish Wedding - The marriage was consummated in the wedding chamber. The Bride and Groom stayed in that wedding chamber for seven days.

    12 – The Marriage Supper
    Jewish Wedding – A wedding feast was given for the Bride and Groom.
    After the traditional Jewish Wedding the Bride and Groom lived together. This fits the picture of the Lord living, or tabernacling, with His people in the Kingdom Age and forever!

    The Children of Israel were also instructed to live in booths or tents during this feast. This was to be a memorial of the time when the Lord delivered Israel from Egypt. The Feast of Tabernacles is about Deliverance and will be fulfilled when the Lord delivers Israel from her enemies. Then there will be a New Beginning for the Kingdom of God and His two brides.

    The prophetic parallels between the Jewish Wedding and the Church’s Biblical Wedding are simply amazing! What a wonderful picture and wonderful hope this pattern gives to those who are saved and are the Children of God. And only the God of Creation could place this pattern within and throughout the sixty-six books of His Word. Our Heavenly Father is the ultimate Wedding Planner! May His name be praised forever!

    Israel repents and God protects them in the Wilderness for 1260 Days, then Jesus returns and they Tabernacle (Dwell) with him.

    So yes, the Church is Raptured, and Jesus the Messiah returns with the Church/Saints IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation just like Jesus told the Jews he would [come back]. That is why Jesus told they Jewish peoples they would grow together with the TARES until he returned, then he would bind the Wicked tares (THEY DIE and lay in their Graves for 1000 years). And then Gd gathers the Wheat (Israel) unto his Barn. But the Church of course is not Israel, we go to meet the Lord in Heaven.
     
  17. Revealing Times

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    Why do you not see what is going on here? Well I didn't see it for 30 years, until God gave me all of Revelation, so I understand.

    In Rev. 20:4 the BEHEADED (Martyrs under the Alter of the 5th Seal) who did not take the Mark of the Beast, they are Judged and THEY live and Reign with Christ 1000 years. So what do you think the Church is doing all of this time? I think we go back to build the New Jerusalem, thus when the New Jerusalem comes down the Bride is in it !!! Why else would a City be called a Bride?

    Rev. 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

    The New Jerusalem is for both Brides, but the Bride of Christ are the ones who come down in the New Jerusalem. Now the Saints of old might also, but the Israelis on earth are still a country.
     
  18. WailingWall

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    So your saying that because Abe had two brides, Rachel and Leah bla bla bla ....... theres 2 brides in the end times. One bride of Christ and one bride of God

    Genesis 25:1-2 (KJV)
    1 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

    2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.

    Ut oh. Three brides a flying and a partidge in a pear tree
     
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  19. Marilyn C

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    Hi RT,

    So....we never sinned against God. We are sooooo perfect?
    Also about that emotive `wedding` `marriage` `bride` scenario, please tell me how the Lord is going to marry billions of people????
    That is NOT what God is talking about.

    The `bride,` wife of the Lamb represents God`s care over Israel, as Hosea tells us -

    `I will betroth you to me FOREVER; yes I will betroth you to me in righteousness and justice, in lovingkindness and mercy; I will betroth you to me in faithfulness, and you shall know the Lord.` (Hosea 2: 19 & 20)

    `Do not fear, for you will not be ashamed; nor be disgraced for you will not be put to shame; for you will forget the shame of your youth, and will not remember the reproach of widowhood any more.
    For your MAKER IS YOUR HUSBAND, the Lord of hosts is His name; and your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,` (Isa. 54: 4 & 5)


    As to the city the new Jerusalem, it is described `AS a bride.` That is just a simile. it is just a picture NOT a real bride!

    The meaning is that in eternity the Body of Christ purpose in the third heaven will connect with the purpose in the New Jerusalem, (OT saints) and both will be the ruling authorities under Christ in the different realms.

    God`s purposes are about Christ ruling, NOT people being brides!!!!!!

    Marilyn.[/QUOTE]
     
  20. Revealing Times

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    Those in the Church of course have accepted Christ Jesus as their redeemer, and the Jewish peoples will be blinded IN PART until the fullness of the Gentiles (Church) has come full. The IN PART means that any Jew can accept Jesus as their Messiah/Savior, just like Paul, Peter, John and all Messianic Jews have, but most of course do not, that will happen during the 70th Week.

    Accepting Jesus and applying his blood to our sins has zero to do with how good we are, or how perfect we are, its just a fact, until we do we have of course not repented and remain in our sins.
    Of course Jesus marries his bride. Read Rev. ch. 19. among other passages.

    You must not have read the post in full. There are of course TWO BRIDES. Israel is God the Fathers Bride. The Church is Christ the Sons Bride. You are showing me Old Testament verbiage that says Israel is God's Bride, I AGREE !!

    No, the Beheaded reign with Christ 1000 years as Rev. 20:4 states. The Bride is in the New Jerusalem when it comes down. There is no reason to call a City a Bride. Just like Babylon is called the Great Whore, but its not a real city per se, its the whole world Governance. The Book of Revelation is full of these types of Metaphoric jargon. .

    We Marry the Lamb, its well known throughout the bible.
     
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