My TQ Challenge

[Bungle_Bear]

Absolutely. God is above and beyond anything including the laws of physics and logic.

Can you support that assertion, or is it just something you chose to believe?

 

[Dave-W]

Can you support that assertion, or is it just something you chose to believe?

The miracles recorded in scripture are proof of that; but as an agnostic I do not expect you to take that as evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

2. Before I answer this, please tell me the difference between a dress that is actually so old it falls apart with age and a dress that has the APPEARANCE of age, even to the degree that it falls apart as an old dress would be expected to.

History.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

The miracles recorded in scripture are proof of that; but as an agnostic I do not expect you to take that as evidence.

How are they evidence of God not being bound by logic? I am unaware of scripture claiming Jesus made square triangles, moved an immovable object etc

 

[durangodawood]

How are they evidence of God not being bound by logic? I am unaware of scripture claiming Jesus made square triangles, moved an immovable object etc

Something from nothing is not logical. That seems to be what happened in some of the miracles.

 

[Ophiolite]

Give up flogging that dead horse, do.

But leslie, how do you know the horse was ever alive? Perhaps AV just created it with the appearance of once having been alive. Perhaps it was dead from the outset, even before the flogging began.

 

[AirPo]

But leslie, how do you know the horse was ever alive? Perhaps AV just created it with the appearance of once having been alive. Perhaps it was dead from the outset, even before the flogging began.

So, if it was never alive it can't be dead?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

When God created there was an appearance of age. For example, God made "trees bearing fruit," which would generally take at least a few years. Yet Adam already had food to eat which means the tree looked older than it really was. So yes, should God desire to mess with a dress, He could do that.

Excellent critical thinking.....

 

[AirPo]

Excellent critical thinking.....

Excellent making things up.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I'd ask my biggest question about the origin of life, but it will be ignored since it is death to evolution.....

In fact, it was the cause of death to all but 8 people too....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Excellent making things up.

Funny how you can't spot your own made up stories of evolution....

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Something from nothing is not logical. That seems to be what happened in some of the miracles.

Something from nothing is not not logical.

 

[AV1611VET]

Something from nothing is not not logical.

It's theological.

 

[durangodawood]

Something from nothing is not not logical.

Wow. We agree!

 

[HitchSlap]

It's theological.

Right, that’s what he said.

 

[46AND2]

Wow. We agree!

As do the rest of us atheists.

 

[durangodawood]

As do the rest of us atheists.

Except I do think that illogical things could happen.

 

[Kylie]

Absolutely. God is above and beyond anything including the laws of physics and logic.

Then why doesn't God just snap his fingers and make all the non-christians into Christians?

 

[Kylie]

History.

And history is, in this case, defined how?

 

[AV1611VET]

And history is, in this case, defined how?

What are you getting at?

History -- events that occurred with the passage of time.

A dress created with embedded age would not have a history.

In fact, I define embedded age as: "mature without history."

A dress that is so old it falls apart with age is a dress that has been around for a long time and has seen the earth orbit the sun many many times.

A dress created tomorrow with the same amount of age hasn't even been in existence for one second.

So the difference between the two dresses is history: one has a history, the other doesn't.