My take: Alabama woman who joined ISIS.

[seekingmuch]

Sorry, she made her bed. Let her lie in it. She's a traitor.

 

[jgarden]

Sorry, she made her bed. Let her lie in it. She's a traitor.

But Nazi Party members, SS officers and those responsible for over 30,000 civilian casualties get the benefit of the doubt!

She made this decision as a teenage, the 1600 Germans brought to the US after WW2 were adults!

Those who joined the Confederacy and rejected the Union during the American Civil War could have been branded as considered "traitors," but Lincoln granted amnesty to its leadership, officers and soldiers, allowing them to retain their US citizenship!

In fact, statues have been erected to commemorate the actions of Confederate generals, while the Confederate flag found its way onto the flags, licence plates and emblems of many southern states - including Alabama!

 

[Arcangl86]

Sorry, she made her bed. Let her lie in it. She's a traitor.

Really? What court has she been convicted of treason in?

 

[Done222]

The Germans given citizenship after WWII has always been controversial. The CIA was founded in part by former Nazi intelligence officers.

However, the amnesty and citizenship that was given these Germans was controversial because of what they had done in the past – not because of what they might do in the future. The war was over. No one was concerned that Von Braun was going to come over here and kill a lot of people.

The current war we find ourselves in against radical Islam is not over. Some of these returning fanatics will kill people. If she still believes in violent jihad, there is a good chance that she will at some point try to kill as many people as she can. Maybe she'll be incompetent like a lot of these fanatics and fail to kill anybody. Maybe she’ll get lucky and kill 100,000 people.

Those who left to join Isis have renounced their citizenship with greater clarity than if they done it with a notarized statement.

Turn the other cheek doesn’t mean turn your back to someone who wants to kill you. I can forgive and forget and I do hope she leads a wonderful and happy life…in Syria where she immigrated to.

If she has truly reformed and she rejects the endless war against non-Muslims then she can apply to have her citizenship restored. Keep in mind, radical Muslims not only believe that violence is acceptable to promote their religion, they also have no problem using deception.

 

[seekingmuch]

Really? What court has she been convicted of treason in?

She left America to join ISIS. She advocating killing people, including Americans. She "married" two of those thugs, got pregnant by one of them...

If we let her and her little terrorist-to-be in, we're stupid.

In fact, I'll say the obvious: I don't care if one is a citizen or a legal alien and 16 or 35, if you leave and join ISIS and end up in a jail in some heckhole in Iraq, America should wipe its hands of you and leave you there. You made your bed, now lie in it. You wanted to be a terrorist. Adios, good riddance, enjoy your stupidity.

As far as the American caught being a terrorist here, try him, if he's guilty, hang him.

We should have zero tolerance for terrorists of any kind.

 

[Arcangl86]

She left America to join ISIS. She advocating killing people, including Americans. She "married" two of those thugs, got pregnant by one of them...

If we let her and her little terrorist-to-be in, we're stupid.

In fact, I'll say the obvious: I don't care if one is a citizen or a legal alien and 16 or 35, if you leave and join ISIS and end up in a jail in some heckhole in Iraq, America should wipe its hands of you and leave you there. You made your bed, now lie in it. You wanted to be a terrorist. Adios, good riddance, enjoy your stupidity.

As far as the American caught being a terrorist here, try him, if he's guilty, hang him.

We should have zero tolerance for terrorists of any kind.

"No person shall... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." It's pretty clear cut. Americans can not be deprived of their rights without due process in a court of law.

 

[Done222]

One more point.

It has been claimed that Confederate soldiers in the Civil war had declared war against the US and yet they all had their citizenship restored. This is not exactly true. High ranking Confederate officials were not allowed to vote or hold office.

In 1976 Robert E Lee had his citizenship restored by President Gerald Ford, and in 1978 President Jimmy Carter restored citizenship to Jefferson Davis. So yeah, the leaders of the Confederacy did have their citizenship restored but it was long after they were dead.

It was not practical to deny citizenship to every Confederate soldier, but the Civil war does provide precedent that those who declare war on the US can lose their citizenship.

 

[RDKirk]

One more point.

It has been claimed that Confederate soldiers in the Civil war had declared war against the US and yet they all had their citizenship restored. This is not exactly true. High ranking Confederate officials were not allowed to vote or hold office.

In 1976 Robert E Lee had his citizenship restored by President Gerald Ford, and in 1978 President Jimmy Carter restored citizenship to Jefferson Davis. So yeah, the leaders of the Confederacy did have their citizenship restored but it was long after they were dead.

It was not practical to deny citizenship to every Confederate soldier, but the Civil war does provide precedent that those who declare war on the US can lose their citizenship.

I think the concept of "citizenship" is blurred with regard to Lee, Davis, and certain others.

Most of the Confederacy was pardoned as a group by President Johnson after the war. A number of classes, which included high-ranking officials such as Lee and Davis, were required to request amnesty and pardon by formal individual written oaths of loyalty.

The only reason Lee had not been pardoned earlier was because his written oath had been lost and only recently found.

However, nothing about the pardons or these individual oaths said anything about "citizenship" per se. Remember that up until the 14th Amendment, citizenship in the United States was a matter of citizenship in any of the individual states. Amnesty and pardon from their acts of rebellion meant that they would cease rebellion and their former rebellion would not result in legal penalties (such as being prevented from voting and holding office).

Their states were brought back into the Union, and as the Constitution was written, any citizen of a state of the Union was of the United States.

The 14th Amendment made US citizens of persons some states had barred from state citizenship--particularly the former slaves.

There is more to citizenship than being prohibited to vote or hold public office. Most ex-convicts are barred from voting or holding public office--but they are still otherwise citizens of the United States by both state citizenship and the 14th Amendment.

So if those Confederate officials had not made their individual requests for amnesty and pardon from the criminal act of rebellion, then their rights as citizens were abridged like all ex-convicts. But they were still basically citizens in other respects.

So the colloquial characterization that they had lost "citizenship" isn't strictly correct, nor do any historical documents say that. Their rights as citizens had been abridged because of their unpardoned criminal activities.

 

[Done222]

And those who left the US to join Isis can also make their individual requests for amnesty and pardon from the criminal act of rebellion, but I don’t believe it should be granted as they still pose a serious threat.

 

[RDKirk]

And those who left the US to join Isis can also make their individual requests for amnesty and pardon from the criminal act of rebellion, but I don’t believe it should be granted as they still pose a serious threat.

The difference, of course, is that back then the war was over.

It's not over yet today.