My Struggle

[Shredhead]

I have. Sy Rogers is making a fortune of the "Exgay" Industry. Books, Seminars, Speaking engagements, Tapes, Cd's .He is a bright businessman. God bless America

I don't know about that side of the guy . I was more interested in the fact that he was gay , but now has been delivered from homosexuality .

 

[davedjy]

I don't know about that side of the guy . I was more interested in the fact that he was gay , but now has been delivered from homosexuality .

Anybody can "claim" to be delivered, do you believe everything you read? Many that have given testimonies, at least with Exodus have wished to retract their statements about their so-called conversions or deliverances.

 

[DesignerNate]

Hi SeekinTruth,

First off, Thanks for your honest post! Unfortunately I'm probably not going to be able to give you a solid answer. See I'm kinda in the same boat you are. I have been struggling with homosexuality for years and when I first started to feel attracted to other men, It felt right, It felt good. Now in the same attraction sure there was sin, I lusted, I looked at inappropriate contentography, but is this really exclusive to homosexuality? I'm sure if I was a heterosexual I would struggle with similar things. The main issue that I try to rap my head around is What is the source of my sexual inclination toward other men. I guess that is where it gets tricky, because on one hand, sure its natural, but on the other, I am not perfect and I have my own faults and insecurities.

I am a Christian, and I want to honor God with all my heart, However I also am human, I struggle with giving God my whole heart. Homosexuality certainly could be lumped in with that, but to be honest there are far to many good things I fear I would miss if I simply tried to get rid of my feelings. Thats where I really have trouble seeing homosexuality as morally "wrong". I understand, Men can't procreate with each other, but that doesn't do anything for me, I want to be in an intimate relationship with another man, a relationship that is fully passionate and romantic one that is fully vulnerable. I don't know if this helps you or not, But just letting you know your not alone in your confusion.

 

[Shredhead]

do you believe everything you read?

Definately not , I would've thought my replies to your posts was evidence enough of that .

Anybody can "claim" to be delivered, do you believe everything you read? Many that have given testimonies, at least with Exodus have wished to retract their statements about their so-called conversions or deliverances.

And..... your point would be ? What ? that because some people have backslidden , or returned to their sin , that God doesn't deliver people from homosexuality ? But I suppose , as you said , people can " claim " anything . Even being Christian & gay .

 

[davedjy]

Definately not , I would've thought my replies to your posts was evidence enough of that .

Yet your replies to my posts haven't refuted anything I have said.

And..... your point would be ? What ? that because some people have backslidden , or returned to their sin , that God doesn't deliver people from homosexuality ? But I suppose , as you said , people can " claim " anything . Even being Christian & gay .

That isn't the point. If someone has been "delivered" or had been "healed" from homosexuality, why would they even have the desire to return to what you call "sin"? it just proves they were never "delivered" or "healed" to start. Yes, someone can claim to be Christian and gay, I don't see any evidence to the contrary.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I don't know about that side of the guy . I was more interested in the fact that he was gay , but now has been delivered from homosexuality .

Or so he says. But maybe you should go to his website and see and gauge his entrepreneural instincts. As one reviewer from youtube said "he is still, as camp as a row of tents " Gotta like that British humour. A little advice, always look below the surface of things.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Or so he says. But maybe you should go to his website and see and gauge his entrepreneural instincts. As one reviewer from youtube said "he is still, as camp as a row of tents " Gotta like that British humour. A little advice, always look below the surface of things.

So he still preforms the acts?

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

So he still preforms the acts?

I don't know, I have not been in his bedroom lately. But my point is, that it becomes clear, when you go to his website, that his "Exgay" status has become an industry for him. Concerts, Lectures, books, cd's, seminars.

For me at least, some alarms go off. My second point is that because someone says that they are "Exgay" does not in reality, mean they are. Ted Haggard said he was a Minister, so didn't Jimmy swaggert and james baker. They had thousands of followers, who led them, like cattle over the cliff.

But again, Sy Rogers slick web site and Business, set off alarms for me.

 

[Shredhead]

That isn't the point. If someone has been "delivered" or had been "healed" from homosexuality, why would they even have the desire to return to what you call "sin"?

Why did the Hebrews want to return to Egypt after being delivered from it ? They were delivered , but wanted to return to slavery . Sorry , your arguement holds water like a sieve .

Yet your replies to my posts haven't refuted anything I have said.

Maybe you need to read them again .

But again, Sy Rogers slick web site and Business, set off alarms for me.

I'm hearing ya . I too have a dislike for those that want to use the gospel for financial gain . But , personal prejudices aside , the guy speaks the Truth , at least what I've heard so far .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpW-P96HLSQ

 

[Psalms 119 v 105]

Definately not , I would've thought my replies to your posts was evidence enough of that .

And..... your point would be ? What ? that because some people have backslidden , or returned to their sin , that God doesn't deliver people from homosexuality ? But I suppose , as you said , people can " claim " anything . Even being Christian & gay .

 

[davedjy]

Why did the Hebrews want to return to Egypt after being delivered from it ? They were delivered , but wanted to return to slavery . Sorry , your arguement holds water like a sieve .

Returning to a physical place and being delivered from homosexuality...hmm...not the same thing, so what a red herring.

If the attraction still exists, what deliverance took place?

Maybe you need to read them again .

I stand behind what I posted. You haven't refuted anything I've said.

 

[Ohioprof]

Why did the Hebrews want to return to Egypt after being delivered from it ? They were delivered , but wanted to return to slavery . Sorry , your arguement holds water like a sieve .

Maybe you need to read them again .


I'm hearing ya . I too have a dislike for those that want to use the gospel for financial gain . But , personal prejudices aside , the guy speaks the Truth , at least what I've heard so far .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpW-P96HLSQ

He certainly does not speak my truth.

 

[Glass*Soul]

If the attraction still exists, what deliverance took place?

Excellent question. I'm really looking forward to hearing the answer to this.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Excellent question. I'm really looking forward to hearing the answer to this.

I agree, if one were blind and their eyesight was restored, they now see. If one was crippled and they were healed, they now walk. If one were gay and restored to heterosexuality, they are now Heterosexual, not repressing their sexual preferences.

 

[shepsgirl]

God doesn't necessarily take away our temptations when we become Christians; He just makes them easier to bear. That was definitely my case. If your not tempted at all, then there is a serious problem. In the Bible God calls homosexuality an abomination. He is not going to change His mind about it no matter what anyone else says.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

God doesn't necessarily take away our temptations when we become Christians; He just makes them easier to bear. That was definitely my case. If your not tempted at all, then there is a serious problem. In the Bible God calls homosexuality an abomination. He is not going to change His mind about it no matter what anyone else says.

So why don't these groups be honest and admit that they don't change Homosexuals to Heterosexuals ?

 

[shepsgirl]

God changes some and allows others to work through whatever they need to go through. Don't know it happens like that. Someone who is terminally ill and becomes a Christian doesn't mean they are going to be healed. An alcoholic can become a Christian, but that doesn't mean they are going immediately be healed of their addiction. Some have been, but others haven't; that's up to God.

 

[Shredhead]

Returning to a physical place and being delivered from homosexuality...hmm...not the same thing, so what a red herring.

No , not a herring at all . They were happy to return to slavery & bondage . Just like those that have been delivered from Sin , but choose to go back to it .

If the attraction still exists, what deliverance took place?

Excellent question Dave ! Allow me to try & answer with a question ....or two lol . Romans tells us that we've been delivered from Sin . Do you still find yourself being attracted by it ? Personally , I still battle it's nefarious pull everyday , but that doesn't mean mean I haven't been delivered from it's power . Because of the work Christ has accomplished , now I can choose . Homosexuality is sin , a result of Sin , from which , we who believe , have been delivered .
Also , just because I desire something , does not mean it has Gods' blessing .

He certainly does not speak my truth.

That prof , is because you refuse to recognise the Bible as Gods' written & unchanging word . Your definition of Truth is built upon your own feelings of personal happiness .

So why don't these groups be honest and admit that they don't change Homosexuals to Heterosexuals ?

From what I've heard this guy say , he doesn't say as you've said . What he does say , is that there's a way out of that sinful lifestyle , through Christ .