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My Search for the Countdown to Christ’s Atonement

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by Christian Gedge, Jan 13, 2022.

  1. Christian Gedge

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    Thank you, Humble Penny. We share an interest in an important, but overlooked subject – the march of Old Testament chronology as it progressed toward Messiah’s new covenant. It began for me about fifteen years ago while struggling with Daniel’s prophecy of the 70 weeks. ‘The Atonement Clock’ was published in 2010 from out of that work. Here is a link and a brief overview.
    • Jacob to Moses (1st 490-yr era)
    • Shemitah and Jubilee
    • Ancient Hebrew Calendar
    • Judges timeline (2nd 490-yr era)
    • Reigns of kings (3rd 490-yr era)
    • Daniel’s 70 weeks (4th 490-yr era)
    • NT atonement in book of Daniel
    • Timeline of Jesus’ ministry
    • Times of the Gentiles
    • Future revival of the Jews
    My second book, ‘Chronology of the Kingdom’ is really an expansion of the first. It is a series of high detail dates, timelines and synchronisms for academics who might want more citations, more proofs, and high-resolution charts of my chronology. Here is a link and a brief overview.
    • Early judges
    • The middle judges
    • Late judges to Saul
    • David and the calendar
    • Division of the Kingdom
    • Athaliah to Uzziah
    • The fall of Samaria
    • The fall of Jerusalem
    • Babylonian Captivity
    • The Persian era
    • The Greek era
    • Roman era till Herod
    I might be letting myself in for more than I can chew. “Little by little” sounds good to me too.
     
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  2. Humble Penny

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    Thank you very much brother Gedge for that clear and easy to understand overiew of your work in your OP. As you stated biblical chronology is a subject which is majorly overlooked, and I would add, taken for granted as many people believe it's just as simple as asking the "god" called Google to get your answer.

    What I understand from your OP is that while tackling the 70 Weeks of Daniel you saw a connection with the 490 Years and the Jubilee Cycle. From here you also saw from your in-depth research that Scriptural proof exists to show these Jubilee cycles on a bigger scale which can be mapped out chronologically?

    Please let me know if I understand your work correctly or not, and if I am missing anything.
     
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  3. Christian Gedge

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    Yes, that is what I'm saying. Are you saying it too? I traced a pattern of 'sevens' from as far back as Bethel which continued through the history of Israel and culminated in the ministry of Jesus.

    There are implications: The first is how Daniels 'weeks' do not stand alone. They are one and the same count as the Sabbatical years given to Moses in Leviticus 25. The second is that there was more than one 490-year span. Precise dates can be claimed.
     
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  4. Humble Penny

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    While not the central theme in my work: I have recognized the Jubilee pattern being intertwined with the 7,000 Year timeline for the world to exist. I made this connection as I was tackling the 70 Weeks as I noticed that 490 Years = 10 Jubilees. However I took it a step further:

    7,000 Years ÷ 50 Years = 140 Jubilees
    7 Weeks × 7 Years = 49 Years
    49 Years + 1 Year = 50 Years = 1 Jubilee

    Otherwise my work focuses on proving that the reckoning according to the Septuagint matches Scripture and world history. And I show in my work that there are four main times God wants us to know:

    1) 5470 AM (Christ's Birth)
    2) 5500 AM (Christ's Death)
    3) 6000 AM (Christ's Second Coming)
    4) 7000 AM (Final Judgement)

     
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    One other thing I forgot to add in regards to the Jubilee Cycle is that it began from the moment of creation of the luminaries on the 4th Day which marks the beginning of the calendar year. So my work focuses primarily on showing the Septuagint to be the true timeline of Scripture which points to the aforementioned dates above.
     
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    This thread is the best place I'd recommend anyone beginning to look at my work to read before looking at the other series of blog posts I have:

    Did Methuselah Die 14 Years after the Flood?

    Once you follow this hyperlink, in it is included the hyperlinks for my two blog series which go more in depth on my work on biblical chronology from Adam to the Final Judgment.
     
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    I am reading through your writings brother Gedge and I must applaud you for your creative approach to discovering many similar things that I have in my own research, albeit a different way, and am enjoying reading your work.
     
  8. Christian Gedge

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    When you realise a Jubilee is 49 years, it hits between your eyes, doesn’t it?

    You’ve got me scratching my head over these HP. Do you give BC and AD dates for his birth and death?
     
  9. Humble Penny

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    The overview and details are in the hyperlink I left in post #6 of this thread. As for the short answer:

    5470 AM
    corresponds to 0 BC/1 AD
    5500 AM
    corresponds to 30 AD

    This may be checked against the reigns of Augustus Caesar, king Herod, and Tiberius Caesar and the Olympiads:

    Legend Key
    1 Olympiad = 4 Years

    1st Year of Augustus to Christ's Death
    184th Olympiad to 202nd Olympiad = 18 Olympiads/72 Years
    18 Olympiads x 4 Years = 72 Years


    In the Chronicon of Eusebius and Jerome we read that Chist was born in the 42nd Year of Augustus which is the 33rd Year of Herod, therefore Herod came into power in the 9th Year of Augustus. The Massacre of the Innocents then occured in the 44th Year of Augustus and the 35th Year of Herod: for the magi tricked Herod 2 Years after Jesus Christ was born which is what Matthew tells us about the timing of the Star's appearance.

    So in the 57th Year of Augustus our Lord was in His 15th Year; and in the 15th Year of Tiberius our Lord was in His 30th Year. Phelgon in his Olympiads, and whose words are preserved by Jerome, tells us that the darkness over the land and the great earthquake which occured at the the death of Christ was in the 202nd Olympiad: this evidence makes it clear that Christ died in His 30th Year at the close of the 202nd Olympiad.

    And to be sure this isn't wishful thinking we must count backwards from the death of our Lord to date the founding of Rome which Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Eusebius, and Jerome tell us occured in the 7th Olympiad:

    Christ's Death to 1st Olympiad
    202 Olympiads x 4 Years = 808 Years
    30 AD - 808 Years = -778 BC

    Christ's Death to Romulus
    202 Olympiads - 7 Olympiads = 195 Olympiads
    195 Olympiads x 4 Years = 780 Years
    30 AD - 780 Years = -750 BC
     
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    Also when you take into account the words of Titus Livius or "Livy" who says at the end of his first book of Ab Urbe Condita Libri "Books From the Founding of the City" or in modern English titles History of Rome that from Romulus to the Roman Republic are 244 Years. The years are reckoned as follows:

    Romulus to Republic
    -750 BC + 244 Years = -506 BC

    Republic to Death of Julius Caesar
    -506 BC + 464 Years = -42 BC

    and to be precisely sure this corresponds to the 1st Year of Augustus Caesar we may simply count backwards 72 Years from Christ's death...

    Christ's Death to Augustus Caesar
    30 AD - 72 Years = -42 BC

    So we see that Christ cannot be born on anytime before 0 BC or in other words on a -# BC Date.
     
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  11. Christian Gedge

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    Ok, looking now.
     
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    Oh my goodness! You have trod where angels fear to tread trying to reconcile the Septuagint with the Masoretic and then with Josephus too. And all the way back to Adam! :swoon:

    But I respect the enormous amount of work you have put into this. May I make a suggestion for you? There is a site called academia.edu where you can load up your blogs for peer review. It has been a very helpful platform for me.

    As for my chronology, I only go back to the patriarchs. Any earlier than Abraham, I probably won’t be much use to you.
     
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  13. Humble Penny

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    Thank you so much brother Gedge for taking the time to look at my work! I am very happy that I had someone with your scholarly level be able to see my work here and understand what I am actually doing. I will definitely take up your advice concerning Academia.edu

    Yes reconciling the three aforementioned texts was a monumental task! Your work is still very valuable because I have seen that there are others living in our days which see the patterns me and you have picked up on concerning the Jubilee Cycle and biblical chronology.
     
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    On a side note I was really intrigued by your work concerning the 3.5 Year of Daniel and how you managed to connect that to 600 Lunations in a Jubilee Cycle! You will really benefit from the small work I did concerning this:

    Introduction to Enoch's Intercalary Lunar Months

    My chart on post #7 of that thread will be of much use to you. And I found that this same intercalation of 1 Month every 3 Years was recognized by the community at Qumran who would sight what they called in Hebrew the OToT "signs" of the Moon which would occur every 3 Years.
     
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    Seeing that my primary strength is in my work as a chronologist, I only have a very basic and intuitive grasp of astronomy, so I think you might know more than me, or at the very least can contribute deeper insight into what I have found. When I found that the luminaries follow a Jubilee Cycle where 50 Solar Years = 600 Lunations I was quite stunned at how it surpassed the Metonic Cycle!
     
  16. AbbaLove

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    Being it's your belief that Sunday is now the Christian Sabbath recognized by the LORD. His Resurrection taking place on the 1st Day of the Week and later Jewish disciplies meeting together on the 1st Day of the Week to Break Bread and fellowship together.

    Is this what you meant by "a pattern of 'sevens' ... culminated ... in the ministry of Jesus."

    Could you explain what you mean by "Countdown To Christ's Atonement" in the Thread Title as both non-Jewish Christians and Messianic Jews believe Christ's Atonement occurred nearly 2000 years ago as prophesied in Isaiah 53 ...

    4 Smitten by God, and afflicted.

    5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
    He was bruised for our iniquities;
    The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
    And by His stripes we are healed.

    11 By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
    For He shall bear their iniquities.

    12 And He bore the sins of many,
    And made intercession for the transgressors.

    Matthew 27:51
    Behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent." ... www.gotquestions.org/temple-veil-torn.html

     
  17. Christian Gedge

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    Hi AbbaLove. I wasn’t so much thinking of the weekly Sabbath in this topic, but the Shemitah and Jubilee.

    A grid exists of weeks, periods of seven years, and multiples of seven that extend beneath the pages of scripture, surfacing briefly inside stories and seemingly innocuous chronologies. The ‘lost’ Sabbatical and Jubilee years are key to this, but finding them requires a careful examination of the chronology of the Judges, the Kings of Israel, and the era between the Old and New Testaments. To uncover these cycles, I identified scriptural cases, dated them, cross-checked them with the continuous count, and crosschecked them again with known extra-biblical records.

    The resulting timeline reveals a stunning convergence of data to Jesus of Nazareth. The Sabbatical years were not lost after all, but counted inexorably to His atoning sacrifice. As you say, Isaiah 53, but I would add Daniel 9:24 – a sadly overlooked description of Christ’s atonement.
     
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