My Pollen Challenge

[AV1611VET]

The bible also says that plants that need insects for pollination came before insects.

Thoughts?

Yup.

Earth before the sun ... etc.

That, to me, is just so cool.

Ahhh ... the miracle of creation, eh?

 

[Old Ned]

Yup.

Earth before the sun ... etc.

That, to me, is just so cool.

Ahhh ... the miracle of creation, eh?

Av you crack me up.

I am soooo tempted to go off on this statement, but I'm fairly certain you are trolling right now, you're a funny guy

Nope, I have to... you think the Earth before the Sun is cool?.... I would say it would outright freezing

 

[AV1611VET]

Av you crack me up.

I am soooo tempted to go off on this statement, but I'm fairly certain you are trolling right now, you're a funny guy

Nope, I have to... you think the Earth before the Sun is cool?.... I would say it would outright freezing

LOL ... I thought of saying my favorite word (groovy), but didn't think it appropriate.

So I was gonna say "sweet," but "cool" is the only think I could think of that sounded appropriate.

 

[durangodawood]

I totally agree, but I don't think pollenation by aeolian means was the Creator's intent; unless it was supposed to be that way.

Like I said, the question of wind is irrelevant, if the time between plants and insects was just a couple days.

You're good to go with your current beliefs regarding the pollination problem!

 

[[serious]]

Which came first? the flower or the bee?

If the flower came first, how was it pollinated?

Many conifers distribute pollen by wind. Pollen came first (out of the things I'll list) If any pollin dispersing structure is called a flower, this out be the first flower, but that's an atypical use of the word.

Going from memory, I believe some plants do not produce flowers but still have fertilization accomplished or aided by an animal. As such, pollinators came next.

Once pollinators were around, means to attract more pollinators evolved (flowers)

In more practical terms though, they would have evolved together. once there was a mutually beneficial relationship between the insect and plant, both would have begun evolving to maximize that.

EDIT: misread the challenge. Flowers came before bees substantially. Flowers and maybe some sort of beetle or fly would have coevolved probably around 150 mya with bees evolving tens of millions of years after.

Challenge dead.

 

[Loudmouth]

Which came first? the flower or the bee?

If the flower came first, how was it pollinated?

You never heard of wind pollination?

Anemophily - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AV1611VET]

You never heard of wind pollination?

I don't care if there were quo tidian gales.

Which came first? the flower or the bee?

 

[HitchSlap]

Which came first? the flower or the bee?

If the flower came first, how was it pollinated?

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it AV. All you need know is goddidit and science can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it AV. All you need know is goddidit and science can take a hike.

I'm beginning to like you.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'm beginning to like you.

What... only beginning?

;(

 

[AV1611VET]

What... only beginning?

;(

Just kidding!

 

[Loudmouth]

I don't care if there were quo tidian gales.

Which came first? the flower or the bee?

Just to make this clear, you are aware that pollination by flower does not require bees, correct?

 

[AV1611VET]

Just to make this clear, you are aware that pollination by flower does not require bees, correct?

I am indeed.

I checked with Wikipedia before I even made this thread.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am indeed.

I checked with Wikipedia before I even made this thread.

Then why did you ask this question?

"If the flower came first, how was it pollinated?"--AV1611VET

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why did you ask this question?

"If the flower came first, how was it pollinated?"--AV1611VET

You can tell a lot about a shrewdness by asking two seemly related questions and seeing which one they prefer to answer.

I'm guilty of that too.

 

[Loudmouth]

You can tell a lot about a shrewdness by asking two seemly related questions and seeing which one they prefer to answer.

I'm guilty of that too.

I think it is very obvious what is going on. You thought you had found an argument that would defeat evolution. You thought that all flowers required pollination by bees, so your question was meant to suggest that flowers could not evolve because there were no bees, and bees could not evolve because there were no flowers.

As it turned out, your assumptions about pollination were completely wrong. Your argument is a total failure, other than a survey to see how many people knew about wind pollination.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think it is very obvious what is going on. You thought you had found an argument that would defeat evolution.

For the second time ...

I looked it up on Wikipedia before I posted the thread.

 

[durangodawood]

So... in what way was the original question a "challenge"

 

[Michael]

For the second time ...

I looked it up on Wikipedia before I posted the thread.

Do I win anything for getting the right answer first?

 

[AV1611VET]

So... in what way was the original question a "challenge"

The replies tend to challenge my patience.