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My Jesus Challenge

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by AV1611VET, Aug 16, 2017.

Is the Biblical Jesus Christ a man-made invention?

Poll closed Sep 15, 2017.
  1. Yes

    22.2%
  2. No

    66.7%
  3. What???

    11.1%
  1. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    "Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee;"
    ~Genesis 3:18a~
     
  2. Eyes wide Open

    Eyes wide Open Love and peace is the ONLY foundation-to build....

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    I like the symbolism in the thorn/flower relationship. It makes sense aligning it with ego and a deeper essence to our being. I wrote a poem about playing chase with my kids in a flower garden called ‘don’t forget the roots’ taking the symbolism a stage further with the roots being the most important part of the flower. Nature can show us a lot.

    It actually was a Rose garden, New Farm park in Brisbane...if you are ever in that neck of the woods. It’s a way to go I know!!
     
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  3. Jane_the_Bane

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    Let's also not forget the Luther Rose, a prominent Protestant symbol.
     
  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Jesus is affectionately referred to as "the Rose of Sharon."

    Song 2:1 I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.
     
  5. Jane_the_Bane

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    You think Jesus is the woman in the Song of Songs? And that it was always meant to describe him?

    I know there's a long ecclesiastical tradition of re-interpreting this highly erotic love poetry as an allegory for the relationship between Christ and the Church, buuut that one usually puts the Church in the Woman's position and Jesus in the role of the groom.
     
  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    Methinks someone needs a course in typology.

    Did you know that the Tabernacle in the Wilderness is a three-dimensional representation of Jesus Christ?

    Everything about that Tabernacle depicts some aspect of Him.

    For example, the acacia boards overlaid with gold speak of Jesus as "a root out of a dry ground" (acacia wood); and the gold represents His deity.

    Even the fence surrounding it was held up with sixty fence posts, each with silver blocks, procured from half-shekel offerings (or tax, I can't remember which).

    Thus sixty half-shekels: a reference to the thirty pieces of silver Jesus was betrayed for.
     
  7. Robban

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    AV, the Tabernacle was built with gifts Exodus 25:1-2,

    Exodus 36_3-6

    There is a point to it, the Tabernacle was never destroyed
    (hidden)

    It shows that anything that is achieved by force will not last, both the what were to be permanent Temples were destroyed.

    Anything accomplished by inspiration ,passion and enthusiasm will last forever.

    Just one side.
     
  8. dlamberth

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    Hi Robban.
    I have a question that isn't at all related to this thread, but I see you here and thought I'd ask. I'm reading Matthew Fox's "Meister Eckhart: A Mystic-Warrior for Our Times". He mentions the "Shekinah" of the Jewish tradition. Fox writes that it "depicts the presence of God and the presence of Divine glory, localizing it and making it real."

    Are you able to provide more insight into "Shekinah" than the brief couple of sentences that Fox wrote that I quoted above?
    Thanks.
     
  9. Robban

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    Hi dlamberth,

    A good article I would say is by Rabbieinu Yaakov Abuchatzeira.
    "Rectifying the Divine Presence"

    "Be strong and courageous and use all of your efforts to restore the "Shechina".

    It can be thought that it was not so much Adam and Eve
    was thrown out of the garden but,

    that the Divine presence withdrew,

    and was gradually drawn down with a manifestation on
    Mt Sinai.

    There is an whole ocean of info to be had.
     
  10. dlamberth

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    I thank you for the reference.
    I have the article up on my computer.

    Edited to add: So I'm googling Schechina. There's a lot there that pops up. I'm reading that the dwelling or settling of the Divine presence represents the feminine attribute of the presence of God. Could one relate Shechina to the Christian concept of the Holy Spirit?
     
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  11. Robban

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    Bon voyage :)
     
  12. the iconoclast

    the iconoclast Atheism is weak. Yep, I said it

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    Hey hey ananda :)

    Thank you for all your replies. Im starting to understand your position a lot more.

    Lets concentrate on one area; suffering.

    Do you believe moderate suffering and at the right time - and not all the time - can build character and strengthen the individual?

    Cheers
     
  13. the iconoclast

    the iconoclast Atheism is weak. Yep, I said it

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    Hey hey zoness my dear :)

    I have not forgotten you. We shall continue soon, aren't surprises fun!!!

    Cheers
     
  14. ananda

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    Yes; suffering can potentially build character and give strength to an observantly wise individual. However, we understand that character and strength are not end-goals in and of themselves; we understand that the end-goal of such improvements is ultimately to overcome suffering.

    Such also describes the Buddhist Eightfold Path; enduring its progressive practice builds character and strength for the end-goal of overcoming suffering.
     
  15. AV1611VET

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    It sure does, doesn't it?

    Especially the second path, which justtifies a father leaving his wife and son behind.

    In a bad marriage? wife bossy and kids whiny?

    No problem.

    Become a Buddhist and follow the Eightfold Path to enlightenment.

    Yes, sir ... it builds character alright.

    A character that needs to go to jail.
     
  16. ananda

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    There was no indication that his wife was bossy or his child whiny. He went to search for and to attain the most supreme prize possible - surpassing all other things in the world - and returned to share that prize with his wife and child. I see no problem with that.

    Even today, whether leaving for military service, long-haul trucking jobs, immigrants, etc., parents take such work which takes them away from their families for long periods of time, in order to provide for their family in different ways. The Buddha did similarly - but for a far greater reward than mere money.

    Yes, there is a possibility that he was only following Jesus' admonition to hate his wife and children (Luke 14:26). Are you suggesting that he should be jailed because he didn't do enough - that he should have instead taken his child to dash him against a rock (Psalms 137:9) before leaving with hatred?
     
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  17. andy b

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    All people who believe Jesus never existed are enemies to christianity and should be treated as such
     
  18. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET BELIEVE IN MIRACLES Supporter

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    How about we just consider them a mission field and not get so drastic?
     
  19. awitch

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    And how would you treat me or encourage others to treat me, specifically?
     
  20. andy b

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    It's how you define enemy butt not all ideologies wish to kill there foes...but let's be honest you wish to consign Jesus to the fictional category of the liberar with superman so the gloves are off so to speak
     
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