My girlfriend is Jewish, and i'm Christian

[Aaron11]

Yesterday at 11:22 PM JacqueB said this in Post #39



who honestly knows they are right? You believe with your whole heart you are right, therefore you are. She believes with her whole heart, therefore she is right.

Hmmm... so because someone whole-heartedly believes they are right, then they are?  That seems very silly.  Do you honestly believe that?

 

[ScottEmerson]

17th March 2003 at 02:36 PM goodnewsinc said this in Post #26

<SPAN class=postbody>Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one</SPAN>

<SPAN class=postbody>Jews and Gentiles are all sinners. By your logic, he can marry an open Satanist and it is okay. This verse in no way proves your position.</SPAN>

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</SPAN><SPAN class=postbody>Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing,and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

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<SPAN class=postbody>Everybody is a sinner without the blood of Christ. This in no way has anything to do with marriage. As Christians, we are made holy before God. We are a special people - a peculiar people - a royal priesthood. We are set apart. God was extremely specific in the OT about marriage - Only those who believed in God should marry others who believed in God.&nbsp;Paul concurs with this - "Do not be unequally yoked." &nbsp;</SPAN>

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2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

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<SPAN class=postbody>It is the Christian who is reconciled. Not the Jew.
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</SPAN><SPAN class=postbody>Isaiah 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made. 17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. I have seen his ways, and will heal: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners. 19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.

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<SPAN class=postbody>Ripped out of context. What does this have to do with marriage?</SPAN>

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You are not "better" than a Jew just because you call yourself Christian. In the eyes of my Father there is NO DIFFERENCE between you and this young lady. Tell me HOW you are better? And whose opinion COUNTS as authority ... yours, these posters', or God's?

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<SPAN class=postbody>It's not about who is "better." This is a GREAT difference between a Christian and a non-follower of CHrist. One is&nbsp;an adopted child of God. The other is not. One has been redeemed. The other has not. And that, sir, is God's opinion.

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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<SPAN class=postbody>Again - God's ways are for Christians to marry those of a similar faith. So it's understandable that you don't understand it.

Is your religious bias an expression of my Father's love attitude or of human prejudice and imperfection?

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<SPAN class=postbody>Religious bias? Oh, please! So would you accuse God of religious bias when he allows only Christians to enter heaven?

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Forget seeking the approval of "self-righteous" Christians. Imitate and emulate your Father, not earthly Christians and you will be amazed at the peace of mind you will find and the assurance you will have from my Father!

And God understands the difference between those who have been redeemed and those who have not. I would suggest that you take a closer look at your theology.

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[ScottEmerson]

Today at 12:08 AM Aaron11 said this in Post #41




Hmmm... so because someone whole-heartedly believes they are right, then they are?&nbsp; That seems very silly.&nbsp; Do you honestly believe that?

Welcome to the post-modern world. Moral Relativism.

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I believe it is okay to shoot my parents. I believe it with my whole heart. Therefore, it must be right.

Sad times. Very sad times.

 

[Aaron11]

Well I believe with my whole heart that JaqueB is wrong, Therefore I am right.

 

[Aaron11]

P.S. Oh yeah, and that means that she must be wrong... and that means... oh man, relativism is a mess.

 

[Taffsadar]

Today at 01:42 AM goodnewsinc said this in Post #35

You are only 20 years old.&nbsp; You do not have the gray hairs of wisdom that come with age and experience.

With old age comes Alzeheimers...&nbsp;Or did you just ignore&nbsp;Timothy 4:12?

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

If underground4 marries this girl, "it is OK" according to Paul. Who should underground4 follow more closely, his brother (Paul) or his Father (God)? What is YOUR counsel? .....

It is written that all scripture is God breathed (2 Tim 3:16) so IMO it would be wrong to encourage a fellow brother in Christ to pick and choose whom he should pay attention to. All the writers of the Books of the Bible were influenced by God and so carry equal weight.&nbsp;&nbsp;

One should also be careful not to take scripture out of the context it was intended. 1 Cor 7:10-16 was written in response queries about what believers should do in the event of them getting saved whilst married and their spouses remaining unsaved. At the time the Corinthians were debating whether or not they should divorce the unbelieving spouse. Paul response in these verses was categorically 'No'.

I was raised in an unevenly yoked household (my mother was a non practicing Christian and my father an atheist). Out of my siblings I am the only one who is saved, the rest fall between atheists and agnostics. My mother never had the support or encouragement from her husband to pursue her faith and in fact we were prevented from going down that route because my father was staunchly against it. She is so far away from the Lord now it's a crying shame and needless to say they divorced when I was 13. And now I am in an unevenly yoked marriage (got saved in the marriage whilst my husband did not). In some respects and on some issues my husband and I 'lock horns' due to our differing beliefs. He loves me and I love him dearly but we still have some very heated debates when it comes to our differing faiths. If somone were at the stage that underground is at, I could not recommend such a relationship to him. &nbsp;&nbsp;

In such relationships Love may conquer most things but the sad reality is that it does not do it all the time especially when the salvation of your offspring is at stake.

God bless

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[ScottEmerson]

Thank you for your words of advice and encouragement lotus. I epreciate your testimony. May God give you the strength in your marriage to lead your husband to Christ through your words, actions, and prayers.

 

[goodnewsinc]

The verses that good news is talking about are taken out of context. See post #22 and #23.

Here again is what I wrote:

Perhaps you should LEARN what else Paul wrote before you say I teach "disobedience". Why have you avoided mentioning what Paul wrote here?

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: <B>If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.</B> 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and <B>the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.</B>

Surely Paul is writing&nbsp;about the "believer/unbeliever" marriage relationship. This is the subject of underground4's question in this string. I do not understand your view of "out of context". What is the context as YOU see it?


John,

GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[goodnewsinc]

What will you do with this?

Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.Isaiah 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.Isaiah 25:6 And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. 7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Psalm 65: 2 O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. 17 And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.Isaiah 55: 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

It appears that YOU and the Supreme Judge have divergent views about what He is going to do with humanity and its mix of believers and unbelievers. Since your thoughts are not his thoughts and your ways are not His ways ... why should anyone accept your human opinion over His VERY DIRECT WORDS spoken in the first person?

Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

I do not have a hard time understanding how "Jesus took away the sins of the world" and became God's salvation for all mankind.&nbsp; God's children (human beings) are not enemies.&nbsp; They are captives of an invisible Pharaoh.&nbsp; God and I DO NOT WRESTLE flesh and blood like some men do.

Romans 3:4 ... yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

John,

GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

The Lord bless you also Scott .&nbsp;

Glory be to the Lord! He truly strengthens me each day and it's all to his glory

 

[Memory's Flame]

Love is Love! I do not see how you can put a spiritual boundry on Love! So long as that person is supportive of your faith and not interfereing then it is fine to marry outside your religion!

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

Surely Paul is writing about the "believer/unbeliever" marriage relationship. This is the subject of underground4's question in this string. I do not understand your view of "out of context".

Paul is referring to the "believer/unbeliever marriage" at the point when one spouse is saved but the other is not. After providing the reader with examples, in 1 Cor 7:20 he summarises by stating that one must remain in the situation one was in when God called the believer (to paraphrase). Thus if you were married and then saved you should not divorce your unbelieving spouse just because the Lord called you. I hope you can see that this is different to Underground's original question.

What is the context as YOU see it?

I get the impression that you have taken offense to what I wrote. If I have offended you then I'm sorry as this was not my intention.

Be blessed and have a good day

 

[Memory's Flame]

But coulding a saved one possibly save the other just through everyday living; making the other see what they are "missing" without being too pushy??

A person is a person... we need to love em all!

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

Love is Love! I do not see how you can put a spiritual boundry on Love! So long as that person is supportive of your faith and not interfereing then it is fine to marry outside your religion!

Love IS truly a wonderful thing but I respectfully disagree on seeing it as a case of putting a spiritual boundary on love. On the contrary perhaps it's an opportunity to let it run free with no hindrance. Looking at our diverse planet, not everyone would meet and fall in love with an unbelieving individual who would support their faith and not interfere with it. Although in your family's case it did work, for other cases like mine, it does not - in some cases at the expense of either the believer, unbeliever or the children. I do not think that the Lord would intend for any of His creation to suffer which perhaps is why the commandment is there.

With differing faiths each devout spouse will truly believe that their way is right. From what I recall with the Jewish faith, they do not consider Jesus to be the Christ (Messiah) spoken of in the Old Testament. Some Jewish sects even consider Christianity as blasphemous. So as a married couple I'd imagine it would be kind of hard especially when children came along.

Just my two cents .....

 

[Lotuspetal_uk]

But coulding a saved one possibly save the other just through everyday living; making the other see what they are "missing" without being too pushy??

Only the Lord would know that for definate. What I am sure of is a website I visit where Christian women marry 'non Christian' men. Some entered the marriage in the hope that they may one day get their spouse to get saved through their day-to-day living. Most of their testimonies concluded that they could not.

A person is a person... we need to love em all!

And it would truly be like Christ returned if everyone in the world could love each other as God wants for us to love.

I don't think anyone is saying that one shouldn't love but that all marriages takes an abundance of love but also lot of work. The reality of inter-faith marriages for a lot of people is unfortunately a lot tougher than same faith ones.

 

[Memory's Flame]

I'm a bit confused! Are you saying that if you found the one person who loved you unconditionally and you loved them back. They support you and promise to support your faith. The only "issue" is that they are Jewish (or even worse *GASP* Pagan) you would pass up on this wonderful experiance?

Now when it comes to Children, Ryan (my boyfriend) and I have discussed it and we both agree that they will go to church until they are old enough to make their own decisions. That is just one opstical for a multi faith couple to take and grow stronger from.

I would not give up my love and all the things he has taught me over something such as his religion and faith choices.

 

[Aaron11]

Goodnewsinc,

I thought we were trying to give practical advice, not justifying a possible relationship. No one in their right mind is saying that it is wrong to marry a Jew. However, is it the wisest choice for anyone's spirituality? I have a hard time seeing how it would be.

 

[Jedi]

Are you saying that if you found the one person who loved you unconditionally and you loved them back. They support you and promise to support your faith. The only "issue" is that they are Jewish (or even worse *GASP* Pagan) you would pass up on this wonderful experiance?

I refuse to see it as the best option. For the Christian who is Christian not only by name, Christ is the most critical part of the individual. A non-Christian, in this case someone who has been exposed to Christ yet still does not accept him as Lord and Savior, rejects Christ, and as such, rejects the most critical part of the Christian.

How could you spend your life with someone knowing that they reject the most important part of you, and knowing if they don't change, you two will be separated for eternity?

There's only two reasons I can think of that would explain why a couple would get involved with one another despite different faiths in God: (1) Their faith & relationship to God isn't as important as their relationship with each other, and so they're willing to compromise, or (2) they believe everything will be okay in the end no matter what their partner's decision concerning God is. Both reasons are incredibly fallacious, and either way you turn, your relationship is not based upon the rock: Jesus Christ. Instead, you are building a sort of "sand castle" relationship (Matthew 7:24-29).

 

[Memory's Flame]

Well if the relationship is started before one finds Christ, then do you just stop 7 years of love and say "Sorry I was saved, you weren't so I'm leaving you."????? Because I can NOT say that to the man I love.

While my faith (I do not like to call it religion) is important to me, I think that Love is Love.

I take my faith very seriously; but I also take my relationships and life seriously. My life while it includes faith, includes many other things. I have seen many sides of the spectrum and been through a lot of things that have led me to my beliefs.

Just because he doesn't accept christ does that make him a bad person and unable to Love?? I'm sorry, I refuse to believe any of that