My girlfriend is Jewish, and i'm Christian

[ladylove]

I don't understand your post, Taff. What has it to do with being unequally yoked to an unbeliever?

 

[ScottEmerson]

As one with experience counseling marriages, I will disagree with many of the people here. If she is not a Christian, then why are you dating her? One need only read some of the letters of Paul to see the differences between the Jews and the Gentiles. You are changing the "unequally yoked" passage to fit your situation.

If something were to happen and you two got married, many things would happen that would not happen if you were married to another strong Christian.

1. With a Christian partner, you have an accountability partner.
2. WIth a Christian partner, you can reaise your child up in the way he should go.
3. With a CHristian partner, you will not have to worry about forsaking what you believe to participate in Jewish ceremonies, holidays, and observances.
4. WIth a Christian partner, you can serve as a deacon in your church, providing leadership to others.
5. With a Christian partner, your likelihood for divorce is much, much less (Barna, 1998)

I have worked at a Jewish synagagoe. I can tell you first hand that Jewish-Christian marriages do not work. And in almost all the cases, the Christian de-Christianizes and begins a process into Judaism, grudgingly yet willingly.

It doesn't matter if this relationship is questioning your relationship with God. I know CHristians who said the same thing when dating agnostics and atheists. The question is this: Is this relationship going to glorify Jesus Christ in all things? If not, there is someone better out there that can be the woman that can be the Christian wife you will thank Him for daily.

 

[ScottEmerson]

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

THis is clearly talking about those who have converted when married. This in no way says that it is okay for CHristians to marry non-Christians. Come on now!

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

This applies to sweet Jewish young ladies also!  They are not common or unclean to God!  Mull over this!


Jewish ladies are not unclean. But are they marriage material for Christians. I think not.

 

[Karpousi]

Do you love her more than your faith?
Does she love you more than her faith?

 

[underground4]

No - i do not love her more than my faith.

I can't speak for her, because i don't know for sure.

 

[goodnewsinc]

<SPAN class=postbody>Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not oneIsaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing,and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Isaiah 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made. 17 For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. I have seen his ways, and will heal: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners. 19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord; and I will heal him.


You are not "better" than a Jew just because you call yourself Christian. In the eyes of my Father there is NO DIFFERENCE between you and this young lady. Tell me HOW you are better? And whose opinion COUNTS as authority ... yours, these posters', or God's?

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


Is your religious bias an expression of my Father's love attitude or of human prejudice and imperfection?


Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Forget seeking the approval of "self-righteous" Christians. Imitate and emulate your Father, not earthly Christians and you will be amazed at the peace of mind you will find and the assurance you will have from my Father!

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc. </SPAN>

 

[Aaron11]

I am faced with a similar situation that I will not go into. However, I am sure that it would not be WRONG for you to marry this girl. I firmly believe that in many situations, we aren't told strictly what to do by the bible. Conversly, I do believe that we are to ask for wisdom in making the wisest decision. In this case, looking to the bible for wisdom is a good start, but much of it is in your hands. I believe that marrying someone who doesn't believe in Christ would be a mistake not just because of the children dilemna, not just because it would not help you as much spiritually, but also because it would be a big separation between a man and his wife. I want to be deeply entwined soul-to-soul, with my wife. If I truly have Christ at the center of my life, and my wife denies Him, that is automatically a huge divide (like it or not). I know you must really care about this girl, and I do not wish to deny your extreme feelings for her. It sounds cliche but, feelings can only get you so far. I wish to share the most important thing in life with my wife, I think it is the wisest possible decision.

 

[ladylove]

Goodnewnic, you are telling underground4 something that is very contridictory to God's Word and woe to you. Self-righteous will seem very odd when this poster listens to you and marrys this girl and slides from his faith, as most do, and then you need to take a long look in the mirror as a result of your blindness leading the naive into the same blindness.

 

[Taffsadar]

15th March 2003 at 01:00 PM ladylove said this in Post #21

I don't understand your post, Taff. What has it to do with being unequally yoked to an unbeliever?

Nothing, I responded to the first sentance of your post were you pretty much claimed that god wouldn't do anything to&nbsp; stop the kid from accidentlygoing the wronf way.

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Well underground, if she loves you more than her faith. Let her go, she's too good for you.

 

[goodnewsinc]

Look at every post I have made in this string. Write down every text I used and identify the source of the Words . Tell me if they came from the New York Times, War and Peace, News Week Magazine, or the National Enquirer! Pehaps YOU do not RECOGNIZE scriptures when you see them! Clearly the quote below is eyes tightly shut:

you are telling underground4 something that is very contridictory to God's Word

The reality is I am SHOWING underground4 the written Word which your human approach CANNOT SEE!

Psalm 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth! 104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105 Nun. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Surely these are God's Words and they OFFER A PATH of "light" for him to follow .... if he trusts in God and values His ways more than the opinions of "doctrinaire" and short-sighted humans! Amen?! Amen!!


John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[Aaron11]

Goodnewsinc....

1. Christians have something that sets them apart. Christ.

2. It is true that we should be loving toward EVERYONE, but should we marry just anyone?

3. What is the WISEST thing to do? What would be the best for his relationship with Christ?

Those are the things that we should keep in mind with something like this. Its not a moral question, it is a real-life practical question.

 

[ladylove]

Aaron is correct. Underground never did answer whether this girl is a Jewish- Christian; however, from the way he posts, she is not. The clear admonition of Christ thru the Apostle Paul make it clear that "yoking" in any capacity whether business or marital relationship is playing with fire. Goodnewsnic, you just encourage such disobedience and convince yourself that "Scripture" proves your point. Now that is truly naive. In fact, greater judgment is upon you for such hypocrisy than underground4 as you will cause a "little one" to fall and stumble. For shame.

 

[goodnewsinc]

The clear admonition of Christ thru the Apostle Paul make it clear that "yoking" in any capacity whether business or marital relationship is playing with fire. Goodnewsnic, you just encourage such disobedience and convince yourself that "Scripture" proves your point. Now that is truly naive.

Perhaps you should LEARN what else Paul wrote before you say I teach "disobedience".&nbsp; Why have you avoided mentioning what Paul wrote here?

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

If underground4 marries this girl, "it is OK" according to Paul.&nbsp; Who should underground4 follow more closely, his brother (Paul) or his Father (God)?&nbsp; What is YOUR counsel? .....

Here is what GOD SAID:

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If underground4 loves her as himself, and clearly she is not an enemy, he will not deny her in any way nor dump her and hurt her, because he does not want those things done to him!&nbsp; If underground4 follows His Father he cannot go wrong, but if he follows you and Paul ... there may be trouble!

Matthew 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

You will notice that Moses, Elijah, Paul and ladylove ARE EXCLUDED!&nbsp; Follow Jesus only! ... so says, God!

John,

GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[Aaron11]

What goodnewsinc just wrote was purely moronic. Paraphrase-- Dont break up with the girl because you should love everyone... that wouldnt be loving-- That has to be one of the most foolish things I have ever heard.

 

[goodnewsinc]

You are only 20 years old.&nbsp; You do not have the gray hairs of wisdom that come with age and experience.

Paraphrase-- Dont break up with the girl because you should love everyone... that wouldnt be loving-- That has to be one of the most foolish things I have ever heard.

You may argue your paraphrase all you want&nbsp; but .... those are YOUR WORDS ... not at all what I wrote.&nbsp; underground4 is concerned with one young Jewish lady.&nbsp; He has to make the decision for himself.&nbsp; The scriptures I presented are a light and a path for him.&nbsp; Lady love presented a one-sided view of Paul's many words ... which failed to account for Paul's other instruction on the believer/unbeliever marriage.&nbsp; I have pointed this out for his consideration.&nbsp; Underground4 will have to weigh all words and then make his own determination.&nbsp; But I do agree that your paraphrase is indeed "moronic"!&nbsp; Loving all God's way is not trivial pursuit ... nothing to scoff at!

John,

GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[7-5-7]

Okay, i'm not gonna read the whole thread, but I read the first post.

Only one question matters:: Do you love her?

If you do (and she loves you in return), you'll find a way to be together. Surely god would not you apart becasue of such things....

 

[Hank]

Hmm, I read through the post and not one mention about what the woman might believe, Judaism.

Keep in mind early Christians used the Synagogues as a springboard to spread Christianity. It would be natural for having "mixed" marriages in those times. Where Christianity may be able to tolerate foreign gods, Judaism does not. The Ten Commandments strictly forbid worshipping foreign gods. Christ is foreign; He does not fit into the promises of a Jewish Messiah. So she will have a very hard time going against God's laws, if she is in her faith.

Love may be important now, but marriages may start in love but day to day business will set in. Love comes in waves, well for me anyway. I think what you feel for each other right now may not last. I would consult also a rabbi to hear the other side and understand the other side before making a decision. The heritage and traditions of the Jews lasted for the last 3500 years and will for a while yet, and this may become a factor during your marriage, and should not be underestimated.

I know those sayings like 'Love will overcome all'. It's wishful thinking. BTW my post and my opinion is really none of my business, but I think you can be friends for a while and make sure during that period your faiths does not interfere with your combined future. If you are sure you would not ask in a forum, once you are sure, you'll know, both of you, so give it time and study each other.

God bless you both.

 

[Jedi]

I was just be-bopping along here, and this really caught my attention:

You are only 20 years old. You do not have the gray hairs of wisdom that come with age and experience.

I’ve heard this many times before, but let me tell you that even though I may be 19 years old (even younger than the man you were addressing), I’m old enough to know that age and wisdom don’t necessarily go hand in hand. This is something those with “gray hairs of wisdom” seem to not realize on a constant basis. There are plenty of old fools. 1 Timothy 4:12 reads, “Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity” (NIV, emphasis mine).

As far as my stance on this situation is concerned, consider this: If Christ is the most important part of who you are, and is your inner most core, why would you consider ending up with someone who you cannot share this with (assuming your girlfriend is Jewish by religion and not merely by ethnicity)? As much as I love the Jews, I could not bring myself to marry someone who doesn’t share the inmost, intimate parts of who I am: Christ. I think Christ is an essential part of such relationships, and in this situation, that part seems to be missing.

I can only speak from a completely objective point of view, since I’m not in that situation. If I were in your place, honestly, I’m not sure what I would do. Suppose I were dating Natalie Portman (One of the hottest girls on the planet: Padme from Star Wars). Well, she’s a Straight-A Harvard student, is a very successful actress, she knows Hebrew, is hot nearly beyond all comprehension, but she’s also Jewish. Boy-howdy, that’d be a really tough situation to be in. My prayers are certainly with you, kind sir.

 

[Memory's Flame]

You are only 20 years old. You do not have the gray hairs of wisdom that come with age and experience.

I am offended by that!!! At 20 years old I may not have the SAME experiance that you may have at 50, but... I can promise you I have seen my share of love and pain.

I have a different approach to this post. My father was an athiest and my mother a devout christian. They have a wonderful marriage and have had for 25 years as well as raising 2 amazing daughters who Love the Lord

I am in love with my boyfriend of 7 years. While he is not a Christian, he is not a bad person and he, like my father, supports my religious choices and wants to learn from them. So I don't think that religion should stand in the way of true love, besides... who honestly knows they are right? You believe with your whole heart you are right, therefore you are. She believes with her whole heart, therefore she is right.

So definatly do NOT end this relationship so far as she is letting you be you!

 

[ScottEmerson]

Do not be unequally yoked.

The verses that good news is talking about are taken out of context. See post #22 and #23.

Marriage is a holy union. Don't corrupt it by marrying outside your faith.