My Genesis 1 Bottleneck Event Challenge

Do you see a bottleneck event in Genesis 1?


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Subduction Zone

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Do you see a bottleneck event in Genesis 1?
Of course. The creationist myth has a bottleneck. Perhaps you should try to learn what one is.

The "paring down" is not the important part. It is the very small population in the bottleneck itself.

In your opinion how many people were created by God?
 
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Of course. The creationist myth has a bottleneck. Perhaps you should try to learn what one is.
I said bottleneck event ... not bottleneck.
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The "paring down" is not the important part. It is the very small population in the bottleneck itself.
Can you demonstrate this bottleneck on paper?

I'd say it's more like a pyramid, with Adam & Eve at the top, than it is a bottleneck, with Adam & Eve in the middle, and a thriving population on each side of them.

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In your opinion how many people were created by God?
Two.
 
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I said bottleneck event ... not bottleneck.

Can you demonstrate this bottleneck on paper?

I'd say it's more like a pyramid, with Adam & Eve at the top, than it is a bottleneck, with Adam & Eve in the middle, and a thriving population on each side of them.

Two.

Semantics.
 
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Yeah, it's a founder event, not a bottleneck. If it happened, it happened to some other species than humans, though. Humans are not descended from a single breeding pair within the last few hundred thousand years.
 
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Yeah, it's a founder event, not a bottleneck. If it happened, it happened to some other species than humans, though. Humans are not descended from a single breeding pair within the last few hundred thousand years.
If Genesis 1 is literal, shouldn't we all be inbred depressed, according to evolution?
 
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If Genesis 1 is literal, shouldn't we all be inbred depressed, according to evolution?
If Genesis 1 were literally true, our genetics would look very different. I don't see any reason that we would be suffering from inbreeding depression, though, since that comes from lots of accumulated deleterious recessive mutations.
 
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If Genesis 1 is literal, shouldn't we all be inbred depressed, according to evolution?
According to biology, not "evolution". And as sfs pointed out the result are the same even if the name is slightly different.

You are the one that keeps proposing that we would be depressed and terribly inbred.
 
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According to biology, not "evolution". And as sfs pointed out the result are the same even if the name is slightly different.

You are the one that keeps proposing that we would be depressed and terribly inbred.
Then I'll ask you a second time:

What evidence are you saying we should have concerning a literal Genesis 1 creation?

I say: "none".

What say you?
 
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Then I'll ask you a second time:

What evidence are you saying we should have concerning a literal Genesis 1 creation?

I say: "none".

What say you?

I answered this several times. And since this is sfs's area of expertise I will let you ignore and misstate his explanations for now.
 
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If Genesis 1 were literally true, our genetics would look very different.
In what way?

And if our genetics would look very different, would we look very different as well?

Was Adam's genetic makeup 'very different'?
 
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We should [find] genetic evidence for a rapid increase in population size.
Such as finding what?

Some kind of genetic marker that is the equivalent of a plane's black box or something?
 
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No... I see the bottleneck even in Genisis Chapter 7 .. With Noah His family and the great flood..
So do I, but for the record, this thread is an even tougher one: the earth's population at only just two people.

I'm tired of hearing there should be evidence for a literal Genesis 1 creation; and I'm going to start calling people out on it and try to make them back it up with solid science.
 
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