My dilemma with my Schizophrenia or Schizo-effective disorder right now...

[Neogaia777]

Ah, cool. Just the psychotherapist in me double checking.

Thanks man, I'm doing pretty well actually, thanks for checking though...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Neogaia777 I wonder what you are referring to with that monika? Have you been born again by God's Spirit?

Did you ever do some reading about nutritional treatment for mental health problems such as the ones you are explaining? I believe there is more than one clinic in the US that has had astounding success in that, particularly in huge doses of one B vitamin - either 1 or 3 sorry can't remember exactly. And I mean huge doses. Niacin or thiamine both are absolutely necessary for good mental function but must be restored with huge doses for some time. It could be an inherited defect of metabolism or develop later.

You do need to find a functional doctor to help when it is as bad as yours though. Certainly depression and anxiety can be helped greatly by these means. Are you on medication? Then if you are you need a specialist doctor and not he usual ones.

I have a book here called "The Orthomolecular Treatment of Chronic Diseases" by Andrew Saul PhD which is very good and explains it. Worth a consideration?

I appreciate you and what you are trying to do, but I'm really not doing that bad really, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Neogaia777 I wonder what you are referring to with that monika? Have you been born again by God's Spirit?

Did you ever do some reading about nutritional treatment for mental health problems such as the ones you are explaining? I believe there is more than one clinic in the US that has had astounding success in that, particularly in huge doses of one B vitamin - either 1 or 3 sorry can't remember exactly. And I mean huge doses. Niacin or thiamine both are absolutely necessary for good mental function but must be restored with huge doses for some time. It could be an inherited defect of metabolism or develop later.

You do need to find a functional doctor to help when it is as bad as yours though. Certainly depression and anxiety can be helped greatly by these means. Are you on medication? Then if you are you need a specialist doctor and not he usual ones.

I have a book here called "The Orthomolecular Treatment of Chronic Diseases" by Andrew Saul PhD which is very good and explains it. Worth a consideration?

I am trying to be eating a lot better/healthier recently, and take multivitamins with my food daily, etc...

God Bless!

 

[bmjackson]

I am trying to be eating a lot better/healthier recently, and take multivitamins with my food daily, etc...

God Bless!

Good for you! The problem is that huge doses are required to overcome the functioning that has developed and normal doses do not work. But don't take my word for it lol

 

[Neogaia777]

Good for you! The problem is that huge doses are required to overcome the functioning that has developed and normal doses do not work. But don't take my word for it lol

B vitamins also give you a lot of energy though, and I already have trouble sleeping, lol, but I might look into it though, thanks.

God Bless!

 

[bmjackson]

It could be that you have problems with B6, or that your body cannot deal with the manufactured folate (folic acid). It could be a good sign that it is where your problems are lying. Too complicated to work out ourselves unless we spend hundreds of hours studying it. Plenty of info on internet though. When on takes some vitamins, it can cause deficiency in others or in minerals.

 

[bmjackson]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/integrative-mental-health-care/201709/b-vitam

 

[bmjackson]

Orthomolecular Medicine.

 

[Larniavc]

I believe there is more than one clinic in the US that has had astounding success in that, particularly in huge doses of one B vitamin - either 1 or 3 sorry can't remember exactly.

I would strongly recommend not doing this. Huge doses of vitamin D are very unpleasant and dangerous.

 

[Larniavc]

Orthomolecular Medicine.

I would urge readers to read up on the medical consensus for this type of intervention. It has no robust evidence base and was invented by a chemist rather than a medical professional.

 

[bmjackson]

I would strongly recommend not doing this. Huge doses of vitamin D are very unpleasant and dangerous.

You got it wrong - I was not talking about vitamin D. Best to read properly when criticizing.

 

[bmjackson]

I would urge readers to read up on the medical consensus for this type of intervention. It has no robust evidence base and was invented by a chemist rather than a medical professional.

The medical industry is highjacked by money makers. They do not like alternative medicine. Research.

 

[Leaf473]

They try to talk to me, the things that are coming at me from the outside of me externally around me, but they use actual "things" (sights, sounds, and other things, etc) that are already there to do this to or toward me from what is already happening or is already there or is already going to be there externally around me...

And when they do, it hasn't been very nice at times, and is a lot of time just "overload" or is just too much going on too fast or too quickly for me, since it jumps/changes from one thing to another (source) very, very fast and very quickly, so, I put my headphones in, etc...

My headphones are not exactly a solution, since I'm not getting any experience or practice in dealing with these things, but it does block it all out or get rid of pretty dang well or effectively temporarily, etc...

But I'll still never be able to be in what many others would call much more normal situations or circumstances unless I get some actual practice or learn how to cope and/or deal with it effectively, etc, so my headphones are like a temporary bandage that doesn't stop the bleeding or allow the wound to heal effectively, etc...

It's just too hard or too much for me, a lot of time, etc... I have thought about just going somewhere that is public and with a lot happening and going on around me and just sitting somewhere and trying to be just listening, etc, but I haven't done it much at all yet, etc...

I also know that I need to practice in bringing what I hear when I am all alone on the inside of me internally, to bear, or to be a part of, what is happening or is going with me all around me externally, etc, but I all too often lose sight of it/that because of what all is going on or is happening all around me externally, etc, but it needs to take part in it if I am to have any effective hope in effectively dealing with all that is happening or is going on with me all around me externally, etc, I just have a hard or difficult time in being able to that yet, or with bringing what is on the inside of me to bear on what is happening or going on with me all around me externally, etc, it's a major distraction, all that is going on with me outside of me, and it seems like I am only able to focus on or hear only one (voice) at a time only, etc...

People think I am feeding them a line of bull with this a lot of the time, or that I am lying, in fact even the voices that are outside of me accuse me of this a lot, etc, but they are the very proof that this is what's happening to me and/or is going on with me, etc, and I think that is "a line of bull", etc...

Either that or they try to say that it is me and not them, etc, and that I am relating to or am associating with or that I am identifying with everything, when they are not doing it or saying it to me a lot of the time, etc, and that I am getting "confused" by this type or form of communication, etc, and as far as that goes, I sometimes have to admit to myself that there could be some truth to that part of it maybe, "maybe" anyway, etc, because I have also had times where I knew for absolutely sure it was them and not me, etc, and they were not very nice to me sometimes, or a lot of the time, to say the very least, etc, but were downright abusive, and very manipulative, and deceptive, and were very, very downright cold/cruel/callous sometimes, and at times, a lot of the time, etc, or were the very opposite of "compassion" sometimes, etc, but sometimes it's them, and maybe sometimes it could be me maybe, etc, I am still so not quite sure about that part of it yet, as that is sometimes hard to differentiate sometimes, etc...

God Bless!

Hi again Neogaia777, my man!

Just trying to understand what you're saying here.

So... do you believe the external voices are real? Like, there is some external intelligent being or being that are trying to communicate with you or influence you?

 

[Neogaia777]

Hi again Neogaia777, my man!

Just trying to understand what you're saying here.

So... do you believe the external voices are real? Like, there is some external intelligent being or being that are trying to communicate with you or influence you?

I believe there is an external consciousness that is using it, yes... the things that are actual and real around me outside of me I mean, etc... I think they are using it to sometimes at times get to me or mess with me, and then maybe are also at other times trying to use it to maybe try to communicate with me, etc...

But sometimes some of that could be me as well, etc, and my own anticipating it, and being a little paranoid about it, and expecting it, etc, and also my own associating/relating/identifying that goes along with it sometimes also, etc, but is most definitely not just always just me all of the time always, but someone or something else is most definitely there, etc...

And they have a lot of power over certain things also, etc, and can, if and when they want to, etc, can control and/or arrange, and/or manipulate, almost everything that is on the outside of me around me, if and when they want to, or choose to, etc, and I have seen a whole heck of a lot of evidence of this very, very, very many times now, and over a pretty lengthy period of time now, etc...

Includes things like people, and creatures/animals/insects, and television and radio signals, and other technology/electrical signals/devices, and even the forces of nature, etc, and that is still not the full extent of it yet, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Leaf473]

I believe there is an external consciousness that is using it, yes... the things that are actual and real around me outside of me I mean, etc... I think they are using it to sometimes at times get to me or mess with me, and then maybe are also at other times trying to use it to maybe try to communicate with me, etc...

But sometimes some of that could be me as well, etc, and my own anticipating it, and being a little paranoid about it, and expecting it, etc, and also my own associating/relating/identifying that goes along with it sometimes also, etc, but is most definitely not just always just me all of the time always, but someone or something else is most definitely there, etc...

And they have a lot of power over certain things also, etc, and can, if and when they want to, etc, can control and/or arrange, and/or manipulate, almost everything that is on the outside of me around me, if and when they want to, or choose to, etc, and I have seen a whole heck of a lot of evidence of this very, very, very many times now, over a pretty lengthy period of time now, etc...

Includes things like people, and animals, and even the forces of nature, etc, and that is still not the full extent of it, etc...

God Bless!

Okay, so... Are you thinking they are angels, or demons.. aliens? Something else?

Why do you suppose they are only speaking to you? Or are they?

 

[Neogaia777]

Okay, so... Are you thinking they are angels, or demons.. aliens? Something else?

I think it's either God and/or angels, and/or Satan and/or demons, that's what I'm not quite so sure of yet, and is part of my problem here, etc...

With all of the stuff that is going on and/or that is happening on the outside of me anyway, etc...

Why do you suppose they are only speaking to you? Or are they?

Sometimes I wonder if that's why they a lot of the time, especially when I am around other people, take advantage of what is already there, or that is already going to be there, etc, because it's a way of me and Him/him/them knowing without anyone else being able to hear, or know, or being any the wiser, etc...

But I don't know if that's maybe just for me, or maybe just for them maybe, etc, or if that's their way of maintaining secrecy just for me, or maybe just for only them maybe, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Leaf473]

I think it's either God and/or angels, and/or Satan and/or demons, that's what I'm not quite so sure of yet, and is part of my problem here, etc...

With all of the stuff that is going on and/or that is happening on the outside of me anyway, etc...



Sometimes I wonder if that's why they a lot of the time, especially when I am around other people, take advantage of what is already there, or that is already going to be there, etc, because it's a way of me and Him/him/them knowing without anyone else being able to hear, or know, or being any the wiser, etc...

But I don't know if that's maybe just for me, or maybe just for them maybe, etc, or if that's their way of maintaining secrecy just for me, or maybe just for only them maybe, etc...

God Bless!

Okay and... what kinds of things do they do to try to convince you that they are real?

 

[Larniavc]

You got it wrong - I was not talking about vitamin D. Best to read properly when criticizing.

Spelling error on my part.

I meant vitamin. B

 

[Larniavc]

Research

This is always fun. Show me your best example of peer reviewed research to support super doses of Vitamin B.

 

[Neogaia777]

Okay and... what kinds of things do they do to try to convince you that they are real?

Mainly speak to me, and try to show off with all their powers and tricks mostly, etc...