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My Deliverer Is Comin' !!

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by rollinTHUNDER, Mar 29, 2002.

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  1. rollinTHUNDER

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    >>There's no way to figure out exactly when God created Adam.

    That is not true at all. The Bible, both old and new has all the genologys from Jesus back to Adam. The old Testament has all the years recorded. It is very easy to trace the genology from Adam to Abraham. It is quite a bit more difficult to trace from Abraham to Jesus, but not impossible and also, the Jewish people have records from Abraham on. They lost a lot of the genologys when the temple was burned down in 70 ad, but they still have a record of a lot of them, and as I said, we have the ones we need recorded in our Bible.

    Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

    We have to remember, God could have very well created other men and women, before Adam, they were given dominion over ALL the Earth to subdue it. They were perhaps what some call a food gather. Adam and then Eve were created to tend the Garden of Eden, they were perhaps what some call a food producer. Some believe the "food gathers" were the daughters of man, and the "food producers" Adam and Eve were the Son's of God. Of course Adam, Eve & Cain fell from Grace and were no longer Sons of God, because they no longer reflected the Image of God. Only in and through Jesus are we restored so that we again reflect the image of God and we again become Sons of God. We take on the mind, thought and attitude of God, to always do His will. When we nail SELF to the Cross with Jesus.

    >>Could it be, that the church would be in the earth for two days

    The Bible says, today is the day and now is the time of salvation. If you think about that, one meaning could be that a day to God is 1000 years. While we were not promised a second day, there is actually two days of salvation. There is no place in the Bible that I am aware of, that we are given a third day of salvation.

    >>He told them, "The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,".

    WE are now "the christ", ever sense the day of pentacost. The Bible actually calls us the "body" of christ, but we are to have the mind of christ. We are actually to be everything Jesus was, we are to have His love, His attitude, we are to have the divine thoughts of God, just the same as Jesus had. We are to do the same works He did.

    >>If I have not shown you enough evidence, wait there is more.

    Just remember one thing, God reveiled His WHOLE plan of Salvation to Moses. So you always have go be able to come up with a verse from Moses. Just use the key word's third day, and remember moses taught in shaddows and types. For exmaple:

    Genesis 40:20a-22
    Now it came to pass on the third day, ... Then he restored the chief butler to his butlership again, and he placed the cup in Pharaoh's hand. [22] But he hanged the chief baker, as Joseph had interpreted to them.

    >>40 Jubilees = 2000 years

    Yeah, I guess it does. What was the meaning of the 40 and the 50? And while you are at it, what was the significance of the 38 years that the man at the pool of bathesba was paralized? I did find a 38 year mark in the Old Testament. Having something to do with after 38 years of wondering in the wilderness and the men of war.

    >>the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been (turned into wine). He did not realize where it had come from

    That is kinda funny if you think about it, that it had come out of the bucket of water that they washed themselves in. It was dusty back then and I am sure they were not clean vessels before Jesus transformed them. The servants knew where the water had come from. I wonder if they thought that perhaps someone was playing a joke. They must have been more amazed than anyone that the water had been turned into wine.

    >>28.729166 + 1970 = 1998.729166

    Well, I don't know about that, I am not that good at math. Let us say the VERY soonest Jesus could have been born is 7 BC, then you add 33 years to that and that 0 year thing. That means we can expect Jesus in about the year 2025 and I think they say He is coming on the feast of trumpet. This is the year 2002 and you say Jesus will come in about a year, but it could be He will come a little more than 20 years from now. I think we should be ready to go though, because a LOT of people do not have a promise of tomorrow. God only gives us today, He could call us home at any time. Today is the day and NOW is the time of Salvation.

    Also, if we are going to go in the Rapture, then the Holy Spirit is ALREADY doing a work in us to get us ready. SO in a way, the Rapture has already begun, because the Holy Spirit is doing a work in us now for the Rapture.

    One more thing we need to take into consideration is that TIME as WE know time, very much involves decay and corruption. That has only existed for about 6000 years now. If there is any such thing as TIME outside of this ERA or AGE we live in, then it would be different because there would be NO decay and corruption. ALL of creation fell and ALL of creation is involved in redemption. This 2000 year period we live in now is the Holy Spirit dispensation, it is the Age of Grace OR the Church Age. In some verses it is called the TIME of the Gentiles. I am sure we could find other names for it. But the point is the end of the age is not the end of time, nor is it the end of the world. Thanks, JohnR7
     
  3. GW

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    Hi Rollin. I think St. John may have stolen your ministry away from you. Remember, the Bible tells us definitively WHEN the Day of Christ was to occur. Back in the mid 60s of the 1st century St John heralded the event:

    "The Revelation of Jesus Christ that God gave to him to show his servants things WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS; ...THE TIME IS AT HAND!" --Revelation 1:1,3


    And, of course, once St. John lays out the vision of things that were obligated to come to pass back in those days he says it again to close out the announcement:


    "these words are faithful and true; the God of the holy prophets sent his angel to show unto his servants what MUST SHORTLY BE DONE". -- Revelation 22:6


    So while I commend you on your zeal, I'm afraid the Lord's apostle St. John beat you to the punch when He wrote during the Tribulation at the Day of the Lord (Rev 1:9-10).
     
  4. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello John,
    I already calculated the years from Adam, and that is as close as I can get. I'm perfectly aware of the geneologies. Okay, Adam was born in the year one, now you can tell me what day of the week he was created, it was the 6th day according to the Bible. But how do you know that our sixth day, has not changed, and prove it?? I wish you good luck my friend. Then maybe you could also tell us what month he was born. But, what I really want to know most of all, is whether it was in the winter, spring, summer or fall. I'll be here when you get finished. And could you also tell me when we could celebrate Adams birthday?? Thanks John, I'm also sorry that you missed the whole point. Better luck next time though !!
     
  5. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello GW,
    You should probably quit while you're ahead, because this thread is definitely way over your head. I don't think backwards, or twist scriptures so how could we ever agree on anything??
     
  6. Willis Deal

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    Hey RT,

    Wouldn't adam have been created in the FIRST MONTH? I'm not sure we have a year '0' so his date of 'birth' would be 01-06-0001 (I used the four digit year to be y2k compliant :) ) So with the six thousand year model we would celebrate the birthday on 01-06-6001. The first month in the jewish calender is Tishri (the first month was later changed by God so there are two calenders, a religious and civil). Tishri is in the fall of the year, and genesis kinda supports a summer/fall scenario since there were fruit on the trees and we don't have fruit in winter or spring. At least genesis doesn't contradict a fall creation.

    Do you know what feast is celebrated in Tishri? I'm sure you do but for the benefit of those who don't have a clue it is Rosh Hashanah, or 'feast of trumpets'. One of the events during Rosh Hashanah is the blowing of the 'last trump'. Did you also know that this is the one feast which begins in the dark of the moon and so it was necessary to carefully observe the sky to determine exactly when the feast was to take place, and it was impossible to determine exactly ahead of time on what day the feast would fall, so it was sometimes refered to 'the day no man knows'? Hmmm... 'no man knows the day', 'last trump' do you think this could possibly have any prophetic significance? ;)
     
  7. GW

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    Dear Rollin.

    The scriptures say what they say. Do you believe in the inerrancy of the scriptures? If so, then you are bound to believe the apostles on WHEN the last days took place. According to all the apostles, THEY were the last days generation:

    Hebrews 1:1-2
    God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son...

    1 Corinthians 10:11
    Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

    1 Peter 1:20
    [Jesus] verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

    Acts 2:15-17
    For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But THIS IS THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:


    Like I said, your zeal is commendable. But you just happen to be off in your timing by 19 centuries. The apostles generation, not ours, was the last days generation. That's what they taught under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. They could not err.
     
  8. Yauming

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but the bible does not include all the genologys - there were gaps inbetween.

    Ruth, for example, while she was the ancestor of King David was not necessarily his grandmother.

    By the same token, the Jews in the time of Jesus used to claim that they were the sons of Abraham and he was their "father". But that did not mean that he was necessarily their father or even grandfather- possibly their great ???? grandfather. :)

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  9. JohnR7

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    >>I'm also sorry that you missed the whole point.

    What that the clock is ticking and we only have so many seconds left? God has given all a measure of time, and when the time He has given to us has run out, that is it, we do not get any more time after that. Thanks, JohnR7

    Ephes. 5:15-16 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise, [16] redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
     
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    >> But, what I really want to know most of all, is whether it was in the winter, spring, summer or fall.

    Why was Jesus offered up on passover? Why was Pentacost on, well, the day of pentacost? There is really no reason to believe that Jesus will not return on The feast of trumps. So, that would make the season fall.

    1 Kings 6:1
    And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel had come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord.

    1 Kings 6:38
    And in the eleventh year, in the month of Bul, which is the eighth month, the house was finished in all its details and according to all its plans. So he was seven years in building it.

    He began on the second month and finished 7 years later on the 8 month.
     
  11. rollinTHUNDER

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    To everyone concerned, as I stated earlier, I was NOT trying to figure out the exact starting points in anything, or any age. Basicly, my point was to show that God has a basic plan, where man would be given 6000 years, and God would rule the last 1000 years. Also, that there was a 2000 years "Age of Grace" prophesied. My scripture in Hosea 6:2 is very strong proof that there was to be an appointed time, and that time is approaching it's close.
     
  12. Willis Deal

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    I understood your point, and agree. I only wanted to point out a few additional things which could very well indicate that you are correct. I don't believe it is possible to exactly pinpoint the day of the Lord's return, but it is possible that it has been revealed with no possible way to convert it to a modern calender.

    One thing which jumped out at me from your original post that I neglected to explore. The first public event of Jesus ministry was the attendence of the wedding. kinda fits the pretrib scenario which calls for the wedding at the beginning of the tribulation period.
     
  13. JohnR7

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    >>So, we are now in the year 2002, minus 32 years

    The problem is, according to most people who have researched the actual year Jesus was born, they figure is was around 4 BC. So according to your math, based on the year Jesus was actually born, the age of grace should have ended last year in the year of 2001.

    But that is ok, because we know now that Jesus could come any day now. E#ven if you can not manage to get the exact year figured out. Thanks, JohnR7
     
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    >>Correct me if I'm wrong but the bible does not include all the genologys - there were gaps inbetween.

    As far as I know, the genologys given in the new testament are accurate. From Jesus, all the way back to Adam, I do not think they leave anyone out. Thanks, JohnR7
     
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    Hello John,
    I was only humoring you, what you presented here is not really what I was looking for. Actually, I wasn't looking for anything. I just thought that I would share what the Lord shared with me, but apparently, that was a mistake, because many people are getting confused. Maybe it should have been for the people that have some kind of an understanding of prophecy.

    John, you misunderstood my very first sentence in this thread. I care nothing about the first day of Adams existance. I also was very clear that I was NOT looking to prove the exact time of the Lords return, but you apparently ARE looking to prove the other. I was only trying to stress that our time is short. NO DATE SETTING, but thanks anyway.
     
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    Hi Willis,
    I would agree with you about not being able to know the exact day, or even what time of day (hour). One thing that is not good about this thread, is that it is very long, and a lot of people are missing the point entirely. I didn't plan on making it so long, but in order to give it any credability at all, I had to put several scriptures in there. The good thing about this thread, is that when I was searching for the scriptures I would use, the Lord kept showing me things that I never even thought of before. Like the first miracle of making the wine, and then too, the numbers that God used pertaining to the flood just popped out at me last night, when I was writing my rough draft. I had never thought of multiplying those numbers before, but I believe with all my heart, that he led me to do it. One thing for sure my friend, the Bible is truely the LIVING WORD, and God is AWESOME !!
     
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    >>apparently, that was a mistake, because many people are getting confused

    How long did it take you to figure out what you gave us? What do you feel would be a reasonable amount of time for us to check it out & see if it is accurate or not? How would this conversation go if we were in Heaven?

    A lot of what you said, I already know. But you did add something new, and I have been checking into it. If the math works for you, great, but I have to get it to work for me. Anyways, this is what I figured out.

    Years were measured by weeks, so 7 times 7 was 49 then you had a year of Jubilee. 49 X 360 + 360 = 49.28. So 50 years our time is equal to 49.29 years, Bible Prophecy time. You multiply this times 40. (40 X 50 = 2000) 40 X 49.28 = 1971.25. Add the 33 years of Jesus ministry and that would give you the year 2004.25. Some people feel Jesus could have been born in year 1 or 2 BC. So that means you could also use the year 2002 or 2003.

    I guess I pretty much come up with the same date you do, no matter how hard I try not to. Thanks, JohnR7
     
  18. rollinTHUNDER

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    John,
    I'm sorry you don't like the date that I used. I used the one that the Lord put in my hands to use. I was driving down the road, and I normally don't care to listen to Chuck swindall, but I believe that on that particular day I was meant to hear his message. He seems to be very accurate when he preaches. But lets work yours anyway.

    If we use the date that you just gave, then we would work the math like this : 2002 + 5 = 2007
    2007 - 33 = 1974
    1974 x 5.25 = 10,363.5
    10,363.5 divided by 360 = 28.7875
    28.7875 + 1974 = 2002.7875

    This number would place us in the Sabbath Day, or the third day. Since Christ rose on the third day, I would also expect that the Body of Christ (Church) would also rise on the third day. Anything after 2000 years is in the next millenium, so it would appear that this number would not fit. 2000 years would be the same as 2 days in God's time.
    2 Peter 3: 8 - "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends; With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."
    So the year you gave, does not fit into the formula, either that, or the Lord forgot us entirely, which I very seriously doubt.
     
  19. JohnR7

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    >>2002.7875

    Josephus places Herod's death between a lunar eclipse and the Feast of Passover. The total eclipse took place on 9/10 January 1 B.C., about three months before the beginning of Passover on 8 April. We know that Jesus was in Egypt up 'tell Herod died. We really do not know how old Jesus was when He returned from Egypt. Thanks, JohnR7
     
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    Go for it Rolling Thunder!! I enjoyed the post. Don't ever think it's a mistake to share. We appreciate it.
     
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